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Old 06-11-2014, 02:31 PM   #41
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Actually, since Oklahoma was named by a Spanish explorer specifically because so many Native Americans were there, it kind of is the exact same thing.

And it is a slippery slope argument. The moment you force a private business to change their name or any other part because something offends a few people, it sets a precedence.
Is the word Oklahoma used to demean another person?

You want it to be a slippery slope, but we're not talking about a law here -we're talking about a derogatory term as measured by our current society's standards. As for the private business, it's probably a good thing we're not discussing a law, as they have to abide by many anti-discrimination laws every day. No new business is being opened called "N**gers Deli" that I'm aware of, and I'm sure that would make the news...

This makes me think back to the thread about making fun of Asians, but not blacks or gays, from a couple weeks ago. Do those who argue that this nickname is valid, just see Native people as being on the "OK to talk shlit about" list?
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In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.


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In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...ins-is-a-slur/
more like 67% in a recent study

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...fensive-155143

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Is the word Oklahoma used to demean another person?
I've been alive 38 years and I've never heard the word Redskin used to demean another person. Not once. Not never.

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You ask all the right questions, and we can agree to disagree on how currently acceptable the N-word is. Now, if only you and I could answer all those questions...

A big point in the debate seems to be whether, or what percentage of, Natives find the term offensive. That, we'll likely never know. Reservations are sovereign nations, so we can't make them vote on it. There are far too many tribes to get a straight answer, anyway, so even if we're only hearing the vocal minority, that's all we'll get. Honestly, though, isn't the vocal minority all we ever get in a situation like this?
Unfortunately, yes. Even when 10,000 people show up at a protest, that's like 0.00003% of the country.

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don't even bring native american imagery into this

my school was forced to get rid of this Chief

but FSU can keep this flaming spear chucker?

FVCK you ncaa!
IIRC, FSU has an "official statement" from the Seminole govt that they have no objection to FSU's use of the imagery. Whether that's because they honestly don't GAF, or FSU cuts them a % of merchandise sales, or one of the regents married the chiefs daughter, or what, I

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You don't get it. White people don't care, native americans do. That's all that matters.
So let's say it's true that some Indians do find it objectionable, and some don't. How many would you need to hear about before you'd think it needs to be changed? One? A handful? Not very many, as long as they were smart ones? 51%? 99%?

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I wonder if it has anything to do with the change the name campaign. If you are told it's racist, and that you should be offended, by all means, that's what you should believe, because no one wants to be called a racist.

And again, if It was such an offensive term, why are there Redskin mascots on reservations?
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the change the name campaign. If you are told it's racist, and that you should be offended, by all means, that's what you should believe, because no one wants to be called a racist.



And again, if It was such an offensive term, why are there Redskin mascots on reservations?

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He polled 98 Native Americans in that study. And in any other poll that went against your agenda, you would consider this to be a biased poll.

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Lighten up. Take the politically correct dick out of your mouth. Stop centering everything around race. The world will be a better place for it.
This. People crying racism plays a huge part of perpetuating racism.

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Me either, and i asked everyone in my office and my wife who grew up in native american country, as well as her parents. They, like you and i, have never heard of anyone being "called" a redskin.

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And again, if It was such an offensive term, why are there Redskin mascots on reservations?
Of course it does. But don't get me wrong, i can't hardly think of another sect of people who have been slighted by colonial european americans more than Native Americans. But no one in this forum or anyone they have known in their lives were responsible for that atrocity. But its fairly easy to convince a small group of people them something they didn't previously think was wrong is a dig at their racial heritage. From there once you tell them they can band together to enact change for the majority, who were ALL responsible for their misfortune, they will gladly speak up. Although with all the evidence available to the public, it seems that the majority of Native Americans DGAF about the Redskins; their name, their logo, or their record.
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the change the name campaign. If you are told it's racist, and that you should be offended, by all means, that's what you should believe, because no one wants to be called a racist.

And again, if It was such an offensive term, why are there Redskin mascots on reservations?
As to your first contention, totally in agreement. They are pushing this in the media and people are being conditioned (just look here) to believe that Redskin is just like any other racial slur...even though there is no history of it being used in a derogatory manner and the term itself was coined by an American Indian. We should know by now that people are basically Pavlov's dogs when it comes to this garbage. Stimulus ----> response

Still waiting for the rabble rousers to answer THE FREAKING QUESTION about Indians using the Redskin name on THEIR OWN TEAMS on reservations. It's been brought up several times and dodging ensues.
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Just because n*gger was acceptable doesn't mean it wasn't a racial slur.

And do you think it's use is more or less acceptable today than it was 150 years ago?
It still seems acceptable. Flip on any rap/hip-hop radio station.
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Is the word Oklahoma used to demean another person?
It should, if a term coined by the very people who created it is considered racist.

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You want it to be a slippery slope, but we're not talking about a law here -we're talking about a derogatory term as measured by our current society's standards. As for the private business, it's probably a good thing we're not discussing a law, as they have to abide by many anti-discrimination laws every day. No new business is being opened called "N**gers Deli" that I'm aware of, and I'm sure that would make the news...
Current societal standards are we have none. Anything and everything is offensive, racist and wrong. On one hand you have Blacks claiming racism with Trayvon, and on the other hand they listen to music riddled with a word they consider to be the worst word in the world... If you use it and are white. Suey Park can go all over the twatterverse claiming racism on a comedian when a statement was taken out of context, and gain traction.

And for the record, anti-discriminatory laws only apply when you discriminate against a race, religion or creed by not opening your business to them, for example... WHITES ONLY. That is discriminatory. Calling a restaurant N*gger Joe's Diner is not. Maybe it's his name? Maybe it is his favorite word. Who knows, and who cares. The moment you find something like a word offensive, all bets are off. Just like if a white person shoots a black person in self defense, it's okay to call it racism and a hate crime. If you are black and shoot a white person, you are just a black guy. See, it's not hate, it's just normal life.

So if you really want to measure things by standards, realize we have none. We can do as we want, say what we want, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Further to the point, if the US government forces a change, it is a slippery slope, much like the NBA forcing the sale of the Clippers without the owners consent. The moment you create a situation, where in someone is forced to change anything about their privately owned business, you create a precedent that can be used as a measure to change other things. Lawyers do it all the time. See the case of N*gger Joe's vs the State of Oklahoma.
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