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Old 06-13-2014, 09:09 PM   #21
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Was the mdx on your list? I have a '12 but when my lease is up I'm likely to get the newer model.
My dad traded his 2010 RL for the GC. When we were shopping, the MDX was #1 on his list and the GC wasn't even on the list...he was just going to drive it to shut me up. Sadly (both of us are huge honda fans and generally owned mostly honda products forever).....the new MDX is SOOOOO plasticky, that it no longer feels like a quality product. They tried to stuff so much stuff in, that the only way they can keep the price low is by cheaping out on the build, but unlike Dodge for instance, that keeps the cheapness well hidden, the MDX has cheap nasty plastic EVERYWHERE. Things you touch all the time, things you look at, etc...all sh!tty plastic. My dad crossed it off the list immediately. We then plowed through the benz, the lexus (gx), the X5, and a bunch of others, and my dad loved the jeep the best. Consider jumping ship, at least test drive it. (The GC and the Durango.)
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:12 PM   #22
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Wait a minute.... OP, you're not getting an electric Ford Focus?
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Old 06-13-2014, 09:13 PM   #23
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If you're buying an SUV to hail around kids and groceries, what's the point of getting a hemi other than the occasional highway merge or bragging rights?

It isn't like the 6 cylinder can't get out of its own way
Because the gas mileage/smaller engine is a myth. Its like putting a 5 year-olds heart into Arnold Schwarzenegger.....it will work 5 times as hard than a properly sized heart to keep it movin.

Generally speaking, if you read up on the forums, the v6 guys are getting basically the same or 1mpg better than the hemi. Worth it to you? Sure as sh!t not worth it to me.
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If you're buying an SUV to hail around kids and groceries, what's the point of getting a hemi other than the occasional highway merge or bragging rights?

It isn't like the 6 cylinder can't get out of its own way
I think your brain is living in 1990, because the V8 Durango gets +/- 1 to 2 mpg from a V6 Toyota Sienna minivan but comes with 100 more horsepower...
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Wait a minute.... OP, you're not getting an electric Ford Focus?


I think they do make a hybrid escalade. Just bustin your chops OP.
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I think they do make a hybrid escalade. Just bustin your chops OP.
Me too.

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Oh an electric vehicle is on the horizon, but for this one we need room for dogs and kids. Hope to switch the wife's car to electric in a few years for around town driving, but who knows what will be offered by then. Maybe the tesla x.

Is the technology package an option on the durango? What are drive options? Awd and just rear wheel? Is there a 4x4 lock in or any other options? I'm an idiot and always forget what difference is in awd, etc
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The tech package is an option but I'm not sure if it's an option on the low end models. Drive it comes with either rwd or 4wd. There are no locking axles on the Durango but it does has BLD I believe (brake lock differential) basically brakes are applied to increase torque to the wheel on the ground) and hemis come with a lo range gear in the transfercase.
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I bought my first domestic last year... 2013 Ram 1500... got the V6... its great.

I was SHOCKED at the increase in build quality, ride, comfort, fuel economy, tech.

Based on my very positive experience I think you too would be very happy with a dodge product.

Since buying the 1500 we got rid of our old hunting truck (F350 diesel) and upgraded to the 2013 Ram 3500 as well!
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I bought my first domestic last year... 2013 Ram 1500... got the V6... its great.

I was SHOCKED at the increase in build quality, ride, comfort, fuel economy, tech.

Based on my very positive experience I think you too would be very happy with a dodge product.

Since buying the 1500 we got rid of our old hunting truck (F350 diesel) and upgraded to the 2013 Ram 3500 as well!
The 2013s are nice, but they really stepped up their game for 2014. The new interior, new transmission, new trim, etc really takes it up a notch up. Hope the OP tries the 14 and I think he'll be sold.
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The 2013s are nice, but they really stepped up their game for 2014. The new interior, new transmission, new trim, etc really takes it up a notch up. Hope the OP tries the 14 and I think he'll be sold.
Yeah I'm definitely going to take the 14 for a drive. Drove a 13 crew and that is what changed my mind. 8 speed trans is why I want the 14. Looking at the limited trim. Not sure which features I want or might need.
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Yeah I'm definitely going to take the 14 for a drive. Drove a 13 crew and that is what changed my mind. 8 speed trans is why I want the 14. Looking at the limited trim. Not sure which features I want or might need.
IMHO....

1) AWD
2) Nav/liftgate group (for the nav....you'll love it).
3) Sound system IMHO is worth the $600
4) Leave the 18s, smoother ride and cheaper tires
5) IMHO, skip the sunroof unless you REALLY need it. $1200 is better spent elsewhere.
6) Hemi, no question about it. If you are worried about MPG, you will be supremely disappointed with a V6 in it, as I explained in my previous post about an undersized engine in an oversized vehicle.

7) Or, get the premium group and get most of the above..you'll lose the 18s for 20s though.
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Are they making less and less trucks with 4wd? AWD in big trucks blow.
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Are they making less and less trucks with 4wd? AWD in big trucks blow.
The remaining body on frame trucks are still real 4wd but more idiot proof for soccer moms. The crossovers are largely awd now.
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Are they making less and less trucks with 4wd? AWD in big trucks blow.
Eh, it depends. On the road, AWD beats 4WD 99% of the time, and this is coming from a wrangler owner. 4WD is only superior offroad and in DEEP snow, Im taking about 3'+. A nice set of snow tires with good ground clearance will be perfectly fine on an AWD vehicle, and in icy, light snow, and wet conditions I'd take AWD to 4WD any day. Driving a stock wrangler on an icy highway in January in canada (with snowflake rated tires mind you) puckers up the butthole let me tell you. The durango AWD system is a weird hybrid (in Hemi form)...it still has a 4LO two speed transfer case, so you do get the extra squirt when needed, and the BLD type system will handle anything that a non-offroader will throw at it. Obviously if you want an offroad vehicle, this isn't it, but it isn't marketed to be one. 4WD just robs gas for no reason on the road.
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Because the gas mileage/smaller engine is a myth. Its like putting a 5 year-olds heart into Arnold Schwarzenegger.....it will work 5 times as hard than a properly sized heart to keep it movin.

Generally speaking, if you read up on the forums, the v6 guys are getting basically the same or 1mpg better than the hemi. Worth it to you? Sure as sh!t not worth it to me.
+1

I had an '04 Dakota with a 3.7 V6 and a 5-speed stick because I thought it get better mileage. It's all about the the power band. If I had the 4.7 V8 I would of lost something like 1 mpg, but in reality, it probably come out the same.

Also, there is more mods stuff for a V8 than a 6...
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+1

I had an '04 Dakota with a 3.7 V6 and a 5-speed stick because I thought it get better mileage. It's all about the the power band. If I had the 4.7 V8 I would of lost something like 1 mpg, but in reality, it probably come out the same.

Also, there is more mods stuff for a V8 than a 6...
This is oddly enough, the best demo of my point I have seen to date, and one of the most relevant MPG tests I have ever seen. Start at 3:30



A larger motor will have an easier time maintaining speed as well as gaining speed, and when you factor in weight, you can tip scales in the "other" direction.
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Well, I guess if you have to get a mini-van, then the Durango is the way to go.
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