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Old 06-25-2014, 03:43 PM   #21
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Dentists are not as smart as you think. I've had several instances where I've been trying to explain why things happen the way they do with regards to chemistry and it completely went over the head of my dentist. He started mumbling a bunch of bs that didn't make sense and I just sat and thought to myself "you mean to tell me this fvcker went to UVA and doesn't understand how COF works?".
Still blows my mind that they still shine UVA lights into our mouths and no one is up in arms about it compared to everything else people b1tch about. Probably because they don't know what the tool is, the first mom to think that their little Johnny is going to get a sunburn or cancer in his mouth is going to raise hell about it.

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Old 06-25-2014, 04:47 PM   #23
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should dentist really charge near $5600 for a procedure that uses about $200 in parts and takes an hour and a half?
BTW, sounds like the local BMW dealer to me...
take that hammer, screwdriver, drill with bits, and subframe structural epoxy... time to DIY your teeth. If its good enough for the car....

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Dentists are not as smart as you think. I've had several instances where I've been trying to explain why things happen the way they do with regards to chemistry and it completely went over the head of my dentist. He started mumbling a bunch of bs that didn't make sense and I just sat and thought to myself "you mean to tell me this fvcker went to UVA and doesn't understand how COF works?".

Same with most people in the health professions.


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i don't go to the dentist, as soon as they get in there you will start hurting

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Yes I do understand business costs such as overhead, insurance, building costs etc etc etc however, should dentist really charge near $5600 for a procedure that uses about $200 in parts and takes an hour and a half? It is funny how we try to regulate the health profession but nothing is ever said about the dental profession. My father was a doctor and always stated he should of became a dentist instead for their is nobody watching over them, they charge what they want and take any day off they want. I have to have a 20 year old bridge replaced due to a crack. It's an hour procedure with one implant and the bill is (drum roll).......$3900 out of pocket--yup, that's after my two dental insurance companies pick up $1700 of that. Of course I understand that 8+ years of college should get you an awesome yearly salary but really...$5600 dollars for a bridge with one implant and the entire thing takes an hour and a half. I think not! Dentists aren't real doctors..one can live without their teeth...real doctors save lives on the table! Those are the real professionals.
I agree i my self work in the dental field i m a dental assistant and honestly they charge alot to pay verry little and they still spect you to have all of these credentials and dont pay much. i never go to the dentist if i ever need to get work done i get it for free where i work @ but i would never go to just any dental office if i wasnt recommended by anyone. just a heads up for those who go to the dentist make sure what ever treatment you get done make sure everything was well explain and understood. for anyone that has any questions regarding any treatment done like if you need a root canal or what options you have and you want a second opinion im here to answer any questions , i might not be a doctor but i been in the field for 15 years and i understand and know dentistry verry well in every aspect.


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The only scam is their policy of recommending annual or twice annual exams. That's a ripoff. I can see my own teeth are doing just fine, thank you.
be aware when they try to offer you something you dont need , sometimes it can be fixed by just doing a simple filling but, they will tell you that the tooth needs a root canal because you have infection and thats it but what they wont tell you is that you will need a crown to cover tht tooth and most doctors leave it like that so that the tooth would crack and then you will need it to be xtracted and tell you that the only thing rhat can be done is getting an implant so everything stared from just a simple fill to something more expensive .


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Didn't you get the memo? Teeth and eyeballs aren't "health" and therefore, logically, are not covered by health insurance.

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I dont think you really understand the business costs associated with being a dentist. It aint just about the education (I say that as someone paying tuition for a dental student), the start up cost are exorbitant. I have built a couple of offices for dentist. The equipment (the chairs and such) costs exceeded the cost of the overall construction project. Not to say there aren't crooks out there but there is a significant amount of money put into a practice that I think most patients are unaware of

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Probably just doesn't care.


I wasn't even talking about chemical reactions to the guy. He tried explaining why my cavity filling popped off my tooth twice and what he was going to do to fix it for a third time. When I offered my explanation of how he could increase the strength of the bond of the adhesive to the tooth, he came up with his own explanation that didn't seem sound (as in, it would induce failure yet again).
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I wasn't even talking about chemical reactions to the guy. He tried explaining why my cavity filling popped off my tooth twice and what he was going to do to fix it for a third time. When I offered my explanation of how he could increase the strength of the bond of the adhesive to the tooth, he came up with his own explanation that didn't seem sound (as in, it would induce failure yet again).

Yeah I'm sure you know more about that than he does...


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I would assume that, but if you read my statement again, you'll see that the same filling lost adhesion twice, causing me to take valuable time out of my work schedule to go in and get it corrected. I never stated I knew how to do his job. I merely offered my view of what happened and what could probably be done differently. Slow down and read all of the information presented before making a conclusive opinion.
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I would assume that, but if you read my statement again, you'll see that the same filling lost adhesion twice, causing me to take valuable time out of my work schedule to go in and get it corrected. I never stated I knew how to do his job. I merely offered my view of what happened and what could probably be done differently. Slow down and read all of the information presented before making a conclusive opinion.
You made the false assumption that I didn't read. I think he has about one infinity times as much experience doing this sort of work than you. He probably already knew exactly what he needed to do differently and didn't want to hear this bullshit from some know-it-all patient.
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You made the false assumption that I didn't read. I think he has about one infinity times as much experience doing this sort of work than you. He probably already knew exactly what he needed to do differently and didn't want to hear this bullshit from some know-it-all patient.


Oh you mad!

If he knew what to do differently, why didn't he do it right the first time? We always infer that anyone that is more knowledgeable than us is always correct, when in fact intelligent people makes mistakes too. By engaging in a conversation with him, he not only sees my point of view, but also sees his and can confirm whether or not he's doing the right thing.

My original beef with the guy was when I got on the subject of COF, he tried to BS that he knew all about it, when clearly he did not understand the subject. My issue was with him BSing a topic we were discussing.
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There's actually a valuable message in my posts which is what I'm trying to convey. If you don't know something, be humble enough to admit it and seek out learning it. Regardless if you're a dentist, engineer, president, etc.
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Dentists roll with 70% overhead.

I didn't factor in the average dentist in 2014 takes on 400k in student loans.

Don't forget the continued education costs associated with giving these procedures(15,000 for IV sedation, seminars, you name it). Take medicaid? ~$20 payout to dentist per filling. PPO(insurance) takes about 30% of all procedures.

What you leave out is that the treatment plan is optional and you or your family didn't need a bridge,crown, or implant. Partial and full dentures are cheap.

Hatred of the dentist will cause problems, feeling ripped off will push you towards a bad decision(and pain), you beg me to pull the tooth(I do for a whopping $100) you hate the look of it but we needed the base of that tooth to make a bridge and now you want to sue because I have to place an implant for $2500.

My best friend is an ER doc and yes he saves lives. He bills $12,000 per hour for his services or face time. That doesn't include a procedure, medicine, or anything. On the flip side He's trained for everything from neurology to amputations and when you need him no amount of money is too much.
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