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Old 07-18-2014, 10:40 AM   #21
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You guys are horrible at not posting all of the article, or at least the information relevant to the story.

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But Esaw Garner and other family members said it was a trumped up claim.

“They’re covering their asses, he was breaking up a fight. They harassed and harassed my husband until they killed him,” she said. Garner’s family said he didn’t have any cigarettes on him or in his car at the time of his death.

She said she pleaded with police at the hospital to tell her what happened, but they brushed her off.

“I didn’t do s---!” the 6-foot-4 Garner, wearing a sweaty T-shirt and khaki shorts, told the officers from the 120th Precinct when they approached him.

“I was just minding my own business.
“Every time you see me you want to mess with me. I’m tired of it. It stops today!” he yelled.

'He’s the nicest guy. I can’t believe what I saw. That’s no way to do an arrest,' said Douglas, 50, about Garner. Douglas would only give his first name.

'He’s the nicest guy. I can’t believe what I saw. That’s no way to do an arrest,' said Douglas, 50, about Garner. Douglas would only give his first name.
Ramsey Orta, 22, who shot the video, tried to intervene, telling the cops his friend had just broken up a fight between three men and had not been selling cigarettes.

But when backup uniformed officers arrived, the cops moved in to cuff Garner, the video shows.

“Don’t touch me, please,” he said.

When Garner refused orders to put his hands behind his back, one of the plainclothes cops, wearing a green T-shirt with a yellow No. 99 on the back, got behind him and put him in a chokehold, the footage shows.

A struggle ensued as three uniformed officers joined in on the arrest, knocking the man to the ground.

He screamed, “I can’t breathe!” six times before he went silent and paramedics were called.

“They jumped him and they were choking him. He was foaming at the mouth,” Orta told The News. “And that’s it, he was done. The cops were saying, ‘No, he’s OK, he’s OK.” He wasn’t OK.”

“They were choking him. He kept saying, ‘I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe! Get off of me, get off of me!’ and I didn’t hear any more talking after that,” said witness Valencia Griffin, 50, of Staten Island. “He died right there.”
Another witness, who would only give his first name, Douglas, said he’d known Garner for four years.

“He’s a very big man, very intimidating, but he’s just a big teddy bear,” said Douglas, 50. “He’s the nicest guy. I can’t believe what I saw. That’s no way to do an arrest.”

At the video’s end, the cop who had choke-held Garner can be seen staring at the camera that was videotaping him.

“This had nothing to do with the fight, this had something to do with something else,” the cop said, and walked away.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:43 AM   #22
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It would be easier to talk to cops if they weren't yelling at us to stop resisting
It's a taught tactic. You can easily find dozens of videos of unconscious suspects being yelled at to stop resisting. There is a reason they yell it.

Was the choke hold legal? Per policy use of force? Reasonable?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...t?oid=2760005#

Until there is accountability and police are sued from their pensions and personal accounts instead of taxpayers... this will continue
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I get that cops work in a stressfull enviroment. Yeah they have to put their lives on the line everyday. But this behavior is what makes criminals more aggresive and innocent people on edge when they do confront police. Personally I hate the pigs... They've failed anytime I've ever needed them.
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It's a taught tactic. You can easily find dozens of videos of unconscious suspects being yelled at to stop resisting. There is a reason they yell it.

Was the choke hold legal? Per policy use of force? Reasonable?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...t?oid=2760005#

Until there is accountability and police are sued from their pensions and personal accounts instead of taxpayers... this will continue




This is quite interesting.
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I only have one question (for now)...

Did he have a record?

Well, that did not take long to discover.

Yes, he did. And he can not work because he has diabetes.
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I only have one question (for now)...

Did he have a record?
Not sure why it matters.
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Not sure why it matters.



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Not sure why it matters.
Really?

So every month you arrest someone for a crime.
And every month they fight you.
You are not going to approach and handle that person any differently than a 99 lb female that just got caught jay walking?

The man is a criminal. Period.
Did he deserve to die? No.
But he was not shot 18 times either.
He was arrested and things went wrong.

He was not even choked for very long either.

No, he did not deserve to die. But he was not murdered either.
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BTW - “Every time you see me you want to mess with me. I’m tired of it. It stops today!” he yelled.
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The man is a criminal. Period.
Guilty for what, exactly?
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Guilty for what, exactly?
Breaking ATF laws for starters.

Drug possession, tax evasion, etc.

He has a record. He is a criminal.

He gets paid by your taxes to not work, but he can hang out on the street and sell illegal stuff.

That does not bother you?
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Breaking ATF laws for starters.

He has a record. He is a criminal.

He gets paid by your taxes to not work, but he can hang out on the street and sell illegal stuff.

That does not bother you?
You know for a fact that he was out on the street selling contraband? Or is his record enough to say guilty until proven innocent?

I have no say over how my tax dollars are spent. I have much more pressing issues that require the level of energy you seem to apply here. I envy your lack of pressing matters.
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Really?

So every month you arrest someone for a crime.
And every month they fight you.
You are not going to approach and handle that person any differently than a 99 lb female that just got caught jay walking?

The man is a criminal. Period.
Did he deserve to die? No.
But he was not shot 18 times either.
He was arrested and things went wrong.

He was not even choked for very long either.

No, he did not deserve to die. But he was not murdered either.
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Breaking ATF laws for starters.

Drug possession, tax evasion, etc.

He has a record. He is a criminal.

He gets paid by your taxes to not work, but he can hang out on the street and sell illegal stuff.

That does not bother you?
Link? You have copies of his record?
Maybe he is just being harassed. Even felons have rights
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Another over reaction/harassment by cops lead to dead

"Until there is accountability and police are sued from their pensions and personal accounts instead of taxpayers... this will continue"

I would love to see cops that are involved in unethical behavior be tried by a jury of their "peers". Why can physicians be sued for millions of dollars and be targeted while civil servants are allowed to engage in violating the law and get a slap on te wrist with no real consequences.


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why do people even post this? It's so god damn repetitive and drives people away from this site.
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"Until there is accountability and police are sued from their pensions and personal accounts instead of taxpayers... this will continue"

I would love to see cops that are involved in unethical behavior be tried by a jury of their "peers". Why can physicians be sued for millions of dollars and be targeted while civil servants are allowed to engage in violating the law and get a slap on te wrist with no real consequences.


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who is stopping you from suing the police? the city? state? you can. just as you can sue a doctor or hospital.
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He wasn't a threat to anyone... why not simply TALK to him? Force should be a last resort
...b/c then cops don't get to use their shiny new handcuffs, nor their glocks, & that would take all the fun out of,...well,..being a cop.
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Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail -- he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
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