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Old 07-18-2014, 01:45 PM   #41
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Breaking ATF laws for starters.

Drug possession, tax evasion, etc.

He has a record. He is a criminal.

He gets paid by your taxes to not work, but he can hang out on the street and sell illegal stuff.

That does not bother you?


Hey may be a criminal, but was he committing an offense at the time of this? We don't know.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:48 PM   #42
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Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail -- he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
If all that is true does that mean all rights that are afforded to every American citizen are no longer valid for this guy? Because of cigarette taxes and marijuana? Choke that motherPucker to the ground!

Right?

WTF is 'aggravated operation of a vehicle'? Pfft... who cares when he's clearly forfeited his rights on that whole cigarette tax thing.
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who is stopping you from suing the police? the city? state? you can. just as you can sue a doctor or hospital.
It would be tax money that would pay a lawsuit not the involved parties.
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In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
last one is not important.


(But I'm from Canada, where we don't view that any more than parking in a handicapped stall....but I guess u 'muricans have been brainwashed by your Ronny Reagans' big-bobble-headed wife's 'Just Say No' campaign that fizzled out)
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last one is not important.


(But I'm from Canada, where we don't view that any more than parking in a handicapped stall....but I guess u 'muricans have been brainwashed by your Ronny Reagans' big-bobble-headed wife's 'Just Say No' campaign that fizzled out)
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^ (Chicago?) Alright! This is turning into a cop-bashing thread.




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last one is not important.


(But I'm from Canada, where we don't view that any more than parking in a handicapped stall....but I guess u 'muricans have been brainwashed by your Ronny Reagans' big-bobble-headed wife's 'Just Say No' campaign that fizzled out)
well seriously, how do you enforce any laws when your police look like smokey the fvcking bear?

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I concur.

(to 217Bimmer...oh, and to Gatriel (I think) )

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this is pretty sad.. But cops seems to have their eye on him for whatever petty reason..

But, at the same time if you are being placed under arrest, nothing good can come from resisting. People need to understand this.
Sorry, but that's baloney. "Resisting" is subjective to the officer. You could be cooperating as much as possible, and they can still beat you over the head, claiming you resisted.

Source: my friend is an SFPD officer, and says they always shout "stop resisting!" in all cases, to cover their own asses. Regardless if they actually did resist or complied. At the end of the day, it's their word against the suspect.
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Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail -- he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.
Kinda ironic. Gov arrested him for stealing (not paying taxes that they steal from us).

Understood, but if he was not committing a crime or suspected of one, his prior record doesn't mean anything for the present situation.

None of his previous crime were violent?
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understood, but if he was not committing a crime or suspected of one, his prior record doesn't mean anything for the present situation.




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Understood, but if he was not committing a crime or suspected of one, his prior record doesn't mean anything for the present situation.
I am not saying an investigation should not occur.

All I am saying is that he is not some random innocent victim.

He was known as a criminal and according the cops was committing a crime when he was arrested yet again.

As far as force, when someone makes a statement that tells the cops he is not going to go peacefully, it is easy to understand why cops get dramatically more aggressive.

All I am saying is that it is not cut and dry either way. No one was there to kill or be killed.

Yes, an investigation should happen.

But it seems to me that cops are always considered guilty until proven innocent in cases like this.

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Public records show Garner was out on $4,000 bond or $2,000 cash bail -- he has three pending criminal cases against him, all involving charges of possession and sale of untaxed cigarettes, from arrests in May, March and last August. In the August case, police also charged him with aggravated unlicensed operation of a vehicle, false personation and marijuana possession.

So basically a non violent criminal....
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So basically a non violent criminal....
We don't know that, do we?

All we do know, so far, is that he was a criminal, a repeat criminal who has been arrested multiple times in just the last few months.

We also know he could not work, but could sell illegal cigs on the street every day.

Now, when all the investigation is done and we find out his entire criminal record, he make become more non-violent or more violent in other people's eyes.
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We don't know that, do we?

All we do know, so far, is that he was a criminal, a repeat criminal who has been arrested multiple times in just the last few months.

We also know he could not work, but could sell illegal cigs on the street every day.

Now, when all the investigation is done and we find out his entire criminal record, he make become more non-violent or more violent in other people's eyes.
Nobody will care after they see his no_limit_niqqa twitter account.
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I am not saying an investigation should not occur.

All I am saying is that he is not some random innocent victim.

He was known as a criminal and according the cops was committing a crime when he was arrested yet again.

As far as force, when someone makes a statement that tells the cops he is not going to go peacefully, it is easy to understand why cops get dramatically more aggressive.

All I am saying is that it is not cut and dry either way. No one was there to kill or be killed.

Yes, an investigation should happen.

But it seems to me that cops are always considered guilty until proven innocent in cases like this.

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In my very first post I stated I couldn't justify or not justify the arrest. Speaking in terms of the arrest... it was excessive force.

Hanging on someones back choking them out, another with a foot on the back of his head and 5-6 more applying pressure on his core will and has killed. Use a taser, mace, extremities holds. Ever have one person sit on your back? Hell my 40 lb, 7 year old standing on my chest makes it hard to breathe. Times that by 30
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We don't know that, do we?
So we can justifiably assume he's armed and dangerous!

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All we do know, so far, is that he was a criminal, a repeat criminal who has been arrested multiple times in just the last few months.
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And he turned me into a newt!

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