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Old 07-18-2014, 04:32 PM   #81
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How do you know they didn't have a perfectly good reason to detain and/or arrest him?

Do you know what the cops saw? Do you know what they heard from other people? Did they have a complainant?

Someone has alleged that he broke up a fight. Did he really? If he did, did he use excessive force in doing so? Maybe a dude down the block has been severely beaten and told the cops that this 400 lb dude is the one that beat him.

The fact is, you don't know dick about what happened, except what's seen on the edited video.

And WTF are you talking about "didn't appear he was resisting arrest"? Look at the video, starting at 1:19, the cops try to cuff him, he pulls his hands away, turns away, backs away, says "don't touch me". That's resisting arrest. Plain and simple.




You don't know if he was being placed under arrest, or just being detained for further investigation.

They don't have to read you your rights before detaining you, or before cuffing you.

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Post is reporting he head a heart attack, and over 30 arrests

http://nypost.com/2014/07/18/man-die...during-arrest/
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Times too

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Old 07-18-2014, 04:44 PM   #84
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Post is reporting he head a heart attack, and over 30 arrests

http://nypost.com/2014/07/18/man-die...during-arrest/
lol what a fatass
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:00 PM   #85
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It's a taught tactic. You can easily find dozens of videos of unconscious suspects being yelled at to stop resisting. There is a reason they yell it.

Was the choke hold legal? Per policy use of force? Reasonable?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...t?oid=2760005#

Until there is accountability and police are sued from their pensions and personal accounts instead of taxpayers... this will continue

Criminal or not, I wonder how this bit is going to play out.

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Old 07-18-2014, 05:09 PM   #86
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from a 2004 NYPD Patrol Guide:


Plain clothes cop is going to be charged for sure.
Family will settle out of court for millions (paid for by taxpayers) after signing a no fault statement on police.

Officer that killed him will get smacked on wrist and some stern training after his paid vacation.
Job secure, pension secure, qualified immunity and nothing will change. Officer Safety.
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Family will settle out of court for millions (paid for by taxpayers) after signing a no fault statement on police.

Officer that killed him will get smacked on wrist and some stern training after his paid vacation.
Job secure, pension secure, qualified immunity and nothing will change. Officer Safety.
yes, i'm sure you'll have thousands of people lining up to be police officers if you can be held personally liable.

if you screw up at work can someone sue to recoup that money personally from you? no
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if you screw up at work can someone sue to recoup that money personally from you? no
Depending on the screw-up, they can. If you're out driving a delivery van and work for IBM, and you run someone over, they can sue you personally along with your employer. In fact, I'm pretty sure they have to name you as a defendant in order to get to your employer.

As a practical matter, the employee isn't going to wind up with any real liability, but he can still be sued personally.
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yes, i'm sure you'll have thousands of people lining up to be police officers if you can be held personally liable.
Sounds good. The hundreds that apply will be far more honorable

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if you screw up at work can someone sue to recoup that money personally from you? no
If I break company policy and or the law with my actions?
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Sounds good. The hundreds that apply will be far more honorable


If I break company policy and or the law with my actions?
Absolutely
and that differs from the police how? can they not be fired and sued? will that not stop people from suing the police dept and city?

would your firing not stop someone from suing you or your company?
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Breaking ATF laws for starters.

Drug possession, tax evasion, etc.

He has a record. He is a criminal.

He gets paid by your taxes to not work, but he can hang out on the street and sell illegal stuff.

That does not bother you?


Lost all internet respect for you dude. What you witnessed on video is straight murder.
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Apparently that's all it took. The duration is rather irrelevant at this point.
Did the coroner say he died due to being choked?

Maybe the tomato paste he has for blood threw a meatball clot somewhere due to all the excitement.

We don't know yet. But generally, 10 sec head locks don't kill.
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Squeaky clean innocent victim just minding his own business...
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Anyway now that I've watched the video cause I got home, those officers are ridiculous. Obviously they didn't intentionally kill him and we don't know what happened beforehand. Let's assume he should've been arrested for whatever happened before the video. What were they supposed to do?

If he didn't deserve arrest then this is man slaughter.


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Lost all internet respect for you dude. What you witnessed on video is straight murder.
Yea, I missed the part where they shot him 12 times and cut off his head.
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Lost all internet respect for you dude. What you witnessed on video is straight murder.
What we witnessed is a guy so ****ing fat that he had a heart attack during a minor physical challenge.
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Criminal or not, I wonder how this bit is going to play out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...6pLid%3D503701

more on the choke hold ban here.
If you can talk, you can breathe. This guy could talk, therefore he could breathe. If they didn't "prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air" then by the language of the manual, they didn't choke him.

If the ME doesn't link the cardiac arrest to the arm around the neck area, this whole "chokehold" discussion is irrelevant.

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Really? They intended to kill him? And yet they didn't tase him, mace him, billy club him or shoot him?
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Yea, I missed the part where they shot him 12 times and cut off his head.
Give it up, you won't win. Not on this board.

There was a distinct reason that they wanted to arrest him. The percentage of people on this board that hates cops is in line with that of NYC residents in high crime areas.

A person will start rolling a camera and say "the cop just did this....". Next thing you know, the cop is in the wrong. All day, every day.

Too many coward armchair quarterbacks on here. If the situation is so bad, anyone can do something. People can become cops and try to make a small change, try to do the right thing. They won't. No balls and lots of excuses.

The best part about these videos is that a lot of times the cops were rolling well before the idiots with the camera phones were. You will only see that footage in court though.

The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was resisting arrest. Plain and simple. Black and white. There is no gray area.

I don't believe for a second that anyone that speaks out against the police has any idea how hard it really is. Most people wouldn't have the balls to walk through half of these neighborhoods, let alone do it while wearing a cop uniform.

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Give it up, you won't win. Not on this board.

There was a distinct reason that they wanted to arrest him. The percentage of people on this board that hates cops is in line with that of NYC residents in high crime areas.

A person will start rolling a camera and say "the cop just did this....". Next thing you know, the cop is in the wrong. All day, every day.

Too many coward armchair quarterbacks on here. If the situation is so bad, anyone can do something. People can become cops and try to make a small change, try to do the right thing. They won't. No balls and lots of excuses.

The best part about these videos is that a lot of times the cops were rolling well before the idiots with the camera phones were. You will only see that footage in court though.

The guy didn't deserve to die, but he was resisting arrest. Plain and simple. Black and white. There is no gray area.

I don't believe for a second that anyone that speaks out against the police has any idea how hard it really is. Most people wouldn't have the balls to walk through half of these neighborhoods, let alone do it while wearing a cop uniform.
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I'm an armchair quarterback, but I am no "coward". I call a spade a spade. Check out this jerkkoff (undercover) RCMP cowboy-boot leg-swinging a citizen in the face (on the ground, prone) & lost his cop-job over it due to the local outrage. Guy's face looked liked a pumpkin after, & media rolled with it. Dude got a HUGE (undisclosed) payout from RCMP insurance coffers. RCMP cop charged/convicted successfully for assault/battery. If another local citizen didn't have his cellphone video rolling, the jerk would have got away with it.




edit: ex-RCMP officer perhaps now currently working at McDonald's drive-thru asking people "Would you like that Super-Sized??" LoL.

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