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Old 08-20-2003, 05:23 PM   #1
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taking a turn - 5spd manual

when u guys downshift to say 2nd gear for a turn, u guys rev match with gas or by braking ?
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Old 08-20-2003, 05:28 PM   #2
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Rev matching is with the gas. There is a great thread on this from about two weeks ago. Search.

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Old 08-20-2003, 08:12 PM   #3
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thx.. btw do u rev match on a turn.. cuz i tried downshifting and breakin and seem pretty good to me ? is that ok to do ?
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Old 08-20-2003, 08:16 PM   #4
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Actually, you should have your shift completed before the turn, and accelerate out of it. This is good practice even in slow turns.

Shifting in the middle of a turn unbalances your car and will put you in the weeds when driving "enthusiastically".

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Old 08-21-2003, 07:27 AM   #5
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If I have to slow down for a 2nd gear corner, I:

1. apply the brake with the ball of my right foot
2. push on the clutch with my left foot when the car's speed is safe for 2nd gear (no money shift!) while maintaining constant braking
3. downshift to 2nd while adding some throttle (match revs) with the outside of my right foot while maintaining constant braking with the ball of my right foot
4. release the clutch while maintaining constant braking
5. continue braking all the way to my turn-in point
6. release the brakes as I turn in
7. start adding throttle as I approach my apex (if the turn allows it, I'll be make it to full throttle before my apex)
8. accelerate towards my track out point


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Old 08-21-2003, 11:07 AM   #6
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I downshift in turns with SMG.. maybe I shouldn't.. and do it before?
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:13 PM   #7
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always shift and clutch BEFORE steering
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Old 08-21-2003, 01:31 PM   #8
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Get all your braking done in a straight line. You should be accelerating out of the turn.

BTW, rev-matching is done with the gas pedal.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:29 PM   #9
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Well I drive my car as if I was riding a motorcycle.... I don't brake on the turn.... I brake before the turn and downshift and accelerate while turning.. Just like someone else said, braking during the turn unbalances the car.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:26 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by teamdfl
If I have to slow down for a 2nd gear corner, I:

1. apply the brake with the ball of my right foot
2. push on the clutch with my left foot when the car's speed is safe for 2nd gear (no money shift!) while maintaining constant braking
3. downshift to 2nd while adding some throttle (match revs) with the outside of my right foot while maintaining constant braking with the ball of my right foot
4. release the clutch while maintaining constant braking
5. continue braking all the way to my turn-in point
6. release the brakes as I turn in
7. start adding throttle as I approach my apex (if the turn allows it, I'll be make it to full throttle before my apex)
8. accelerate towards my track out point


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easier said than done
I try heel+toe sometimes and end up braking way too hard because I don't have the support of my right heel on the ground to allow me to apply brake pressure conservatively.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:32 PM   #11
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easier said than done
I try heel+toe sometimes and end up braking way too hard because I don't have the support of my right heel on the ground to allow me to apply brake pressure conservatively.
You must have really microscopic feet. Can't your toes reach the brake pedal with your heel on the floor?
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:32 PM   #12
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Practice, practice, practice!

It took me several months of constant heel-toeing to get to the point where it was natural. Now I can't NOT heel-toe.


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Old 08-21-2003, 05:03 PM   #13
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I agree, practice makes it better. I practiced for about a week or two before I got heel-toeing down pretty well.

I also try not to brake in a corner. If you are going around a corner really fast, your car will definately lose it's balance and you will have to fight to keep it in it's line.
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Old 08-21-2003, 05:24 PM   #14
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wow that sounds way too complicated. i just brake, shift to second and accelarate.
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