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Old 08-25-2003, 05:45 PM   #1
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which tire?

I want a set of the best performing all-seasons.
I have it narrowed to 3 tires, unless someone can suggest another one within the price range.

The tires:
Pirelli PZero-Nero M+S
Conti-Contact Extreme
Sumitomo HTR+

The total mounted price is also in that order:

From the Tire Racks reviews it seems they are all fine tires. The Pirellis have been getting quite good reviews and the Tire Rack test shows them to be a fine sporting tire.

Does anyone have any experience with any of these tires?
Also, if you have experience between these tires that would be cool to know as well.

The price difference between the Sumi's and the Pirelli's is nearly $200.
Is the Pirelli worth that much more?
My only experience with all season Pirelli tires was with a set of the P7000
Supersport, which I disliked as they got very very loud after a couple hundred miles.


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Old 08-26-2003, 07:14 AM   #2
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Of those three the Contis look like they'll do the best in the snow, but have the lowest handling/conering level of the three (not by much), while the Pirelli would have the best handling and lowest snow traction. The Sumitomo should fall somewhere between the two in both conditions...a good compromise. Hard to go wrong with any of these as the differences are so minor.

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Old 08-26-2003, 07:35 AM   #3
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i chosed contiextreme, becuz i want comfort and quiet, and the average score of conti from tirerack seems the best among these 3
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Old 08-26-2003, 05:12 PM   #4
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If you are planning to drive in the snow this winter then an all season tire is not what you want.... Don't waste your money.... Get yourself a set of winter tires for the snow.... You have a RWD car that needs winter tires to perform and be safe in the snow.... All season tires are great for FWD and AWD cars......
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Old 08-27-2003, 09:33 AM   #5
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I hear ya, but I don't agree.

In the Chicago area we do get our share of snow. However, the snow doesn't sit on the streets very long. We do get the occaisional, rare, BIG snowfall. But, that stops traffic for a day or two and schools close. I won't be driving in that anyway. The majority of the time, and I mean BIG majority,
we rarely have much snow on the roads. In the area that I live and work and play, the roads are plowed regularly and salted regularly.
That's why I like high performance all season tires. They'll be "good enough" to get me home when it snows and let me continue with sport driving when the roads are clear, which is most of the time. With pure winter/snow tires, I'll have excellent grip in the snow. But, when the snow is cleared, which is most of the winter, then what? I have to contend with crappy grip, lots of noise, and extremely fast wear of the snow tires.
I would have to have a set of all season and snow tires during the winter and be willing to change them when conditions demand.
However, modern all season tires work pretty great all year round and they take care of my winter needs.
I don't do "performance" driving when it snows anyway.

I learned to drive in RWD cars as well. Back in the day, FWD was available but there were still a lOT of RWD cars for the youngsters to learn on.
RWD can be a lot of fun in the light snow even with all season tires.
And now with all the modern traction controls and such, I'm sure I'll be just fine with all season tires on this RWD.

I agree 100% that snow tires are the BEST in the snow for FWD, AWD, or RWD. But, in my area there just simply isn't that much snow on the ground/street that necessitates snow tires for the whole season.

One more thing, modern all season "ultra high performing" tires can be as good if not better than some of the tires manufacturers put on their cars stock. My car came with Conti-contacts which don't even rate as well as their new all season Conti-extreme, Sumi HTR, or Pzero M+S.

I could be wrong but I'll give it a shot as I don't like snow tires when there is no snow.

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