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Old 01-27-2004, 02:35 AM   #1
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Turbo/boost Guage question

I see many boost/turbo guages, and they read 0, 10, 20 etc. But they also go in the NEGATIVES? How is that? Why would boost become lower than 0 bar/psi?
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I see many boost/turbo guages, and they read 0, 10, 20 etc. But they also go in the NEGATIVES? How is that? Why would boost become lower than 0 bar/psi?
im guessing negative boost?
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I see many boost/turbo guages, and they read 0, 10, 20 etc. But they also go in the NEGATIVES? How is that? Why would boost become lower than 0 bar/psi?
Vacuum.

When you accelerate, the compressor spins up and builds up pressure. Hence you see the needle move from Vac to 0 to Boost. When you shift, (thus letting go of gas), the compressor is under less load, will release the pressure. Which is why, the needle bounces back and forth.
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Vacuum.

When you accelerate, the compressor spins up and builds up pressure. Hence you see the needle move from Vac to 0 to Boost. When you shift, (thus letting go of gas), the compressor is under less load, will release the pressure. Which is why, the needle bounces back and forth.
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does this only apply to turbos or would it aply to superchargers also?
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does this only apply to turbos or would it aply to superchargers also?
This is basically what Vincent said but whatever.

Without forced induction all cars are going to run a vacuum in the intake manifold, this is how air is 'sucked' into the car. All forced induction systems have some boost lag so at low RPMS the compressor might be putting out 1 psi but it has to first overcome the vacuum that the engine is making before it equal (14.6 psi or atmospheric pressure). After that it is positive boost but if you think about it running at 0 boost is actually still a power increase as the engine doesn't have to pull against the vacuum but that is off track.

So to answer your question, YES.

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This is basically what Vincent said but whatever.

Without forced induction all cars are going to run a vacuum in the intake manifold, this is how air is 'sucked' into the car. All forced induction systems have some boost lag so at low RPMS the compressor might be putting out 1 psi but it has to first overcome the vacuum that the engine is making before it equal (14.6 psi or atmospheric pressure). After that it is positive boost but if you think about it running at 0 boost is actually still a power increase as the engine doesn't have to pull against the vacuum but that is off track.

So to answer your question, YES.

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A turbo car that is not running any boost will always have a slight vacuum. If you put your mouth on a boost gauge, you can suck hard enough to show a vacuum. If you try to blow and make the needle indicate boost, your head will pop with exertion and the needle won't move.

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