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Old 01-28-2004, 10:47 AM   #1
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330(6sp) vs 330(5sp)

Is that the new 330 (6sp) can do 0-60mph at only 5.9sec? Does anyone here driving a 330(6sp) drag race with a 330(5sp) before?
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Old 01-28-2004, 12:19 PM   #2
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Should be the same because 6th is just overdrive, but don't quote me on that.
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Old 01-28-2004, 12:23 PM   #3
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Should be the same because 6th is just overdrive, but don't quote me on that.
The normal 330s should be the same. The ZHP should be a bit faster as the rear diff ratio has been changed from 2.91 to 3.15.

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Old 01-28-2004, 12:44 PM   #4
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The normal 330s should be the same. The ZHP should be a bit faster as the rear diff ratio has been changed from 2.91 to 3.15.

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To 3.07 tim Should be a very small difference b/w 2.93 and 3.07
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Old 01-28-2004, 12:52 PM   #5
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Should be the same because 6th is just overdrive, but don't quote me on that.
Yeh, the 6th gear is simply just an overdrive....with exception to the ZHP, identical performance as the 5-spd models.
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Old 01-28-2004, 01:34 PM   #6
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the only benefit is the 6spd will be able to upgrade to a more aggressive gearing with less loss to top speed
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Old 01-28-2004, 02:09 PM   #7
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the only benefit is the 6spd will be able to upgrade to a more aggressive gearing with less loss to top speed
I really don't understand why BMW didn't introduce a shorter drive ratio (3.15 or even 3.38!) into the standard 330 when they released the 6 speed. The overdrive gear would've allowed similar gas mileage, but performance would've increased noticibly.

However, I suppose that doesn't allow much room for a ZHP version.
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:49 PM   #8
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what is ZHP? (sorry, I m newbie here)
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Is that the new 330 (6sp) can do 0-60mph at only 5.9sec? Does anyone here driving a 330(6sp) drag race with a 330(5sp) before?
Can they both handle the same amount of hp? Or is it anything like 930s where the 4speed is actually better for high hp applications over the 5.
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Old 01-29-2004, 10:33 AM   #11
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Guys, please check below link: It claims the new 330i can do 5.9sec at 0-60mph!

http://www.pbase.com/joe123123/inbox
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Old 01-29-2004, 10:41 AM   #12
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Guys, please check below link: It claims the new 330i can do 5.9sec at 0-60mph!

http://www.pbase.com/joe123123/inbox
I think all 330's (non zhp) do 5.9 0-60
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Guys, please check below link: It claims the new 330i can do 5.9sec at 0-60mph!

http://www.pbase.com/joe123123/inbox
That looks like a ZHP to me.
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I think all 330's (non zhp) do 5.9 0-60
Yeah, the 330 manual is listed as 6.1 0-60 by C&D. That of course is by an experienced driver, but still translates to excellent performance.
The ZHP's slight hp/torque increase an more aggresive gearing is supposed to shave about .5 seconds from that time. That puts the ZHP right in there with a stock WRX. It's a drivers race at the point as it's too close to call.

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C&D(i think) also tested a stock 330i or 330Ci a while ago that did 0-60 in mid to high 5s. And truthfully the C&D testers arent that great. They drove an high 8 second corvette to a 12 sumthing which is freggin pathetic. And a stock 330 should do a pretty good whipping to a stock WRX from a roll. And thru the 1/4 you should be about side by side.

All of the above 330s are non ZHP's 5 speeds.
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C&D(i think) also tested a stock 330i or 330Ci a while ago that did 0-60 in mid to high 5s. And truthfully the C&D testers arent that great. They drove an high 8 second corvette to a 12 sumthing which is freggin pathetic. And a stock 330 should do a pretty good whipping to a stock WRX from a roll. And thru the 1/4 you should be about side by side.

All of the above 330s are non ZHP's 5 speeds.
1/4 mile and 0-60 runs aren't done from a "roll". Most drag races are done from a standstill and thus the WRX has the edge. However, they are close enough that either driver could win. I wouldn't say a 330 would "whip" a WRX even from a roll. You're using mid to high 5's, which I've never seen in non ZHP cars. I've seen 5.5 in a ZHP 330. The best number I've seen for the WRX is 5.4. So, if you use "best" numbers as your basis, as you seem to be, then the WRX has the advantage.
But, from a real 0-60 and a real 1/4 the run would be done from a standstill.
Advantage: WRX, but still could be either car depending on driver and state of tune. Almost too close to call really. Both are excellent handling and accelerating automobiles.

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I think all 330's (non zhp) do 5.9 0-60


really? I always had the impression that 0-60 times were like 6.5-6.7 for the 330s and upper 7s for the 325s.
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really? I always had the impression that 0-60 times were like 6.5-6.7 for the 330s and upper 7s for the 325s.
Most 330's are in the 6 to low 6 range for manuals. Some exceptional tested models have dipped in the high 5's. I've not seen where the 330's are considered 5.9 0-60 cars as it's rare, I and haven't seen anything approaching 5.5 or 5.6 for a non ZHP 0-60. Not saying it's not true, just isn't common and I haven't seen it posted.
Automatics will be higher times.
325 manuals are low 7's and higher for automatics.
Your times are probably close to automatic times and close to what BMW lists. BMW like other manufacturers use conservative numbers as they are not as aggressive in launches as most testers.

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C&D(i think) also tested a stock 330i or 330Ci a while ago that did 0-60 in mid to high 5s. And truthfully the C&D testers arent that great. They drove an high 8 second corvette to a 12 sumthing which is freggin pathetic. And a stock 330 should do a pretty good whipping to a stock WRX from a roll. And thru the 1/4 you should be about side by side.

All of the above 330s are non ZHP's 5 speeds.
I have to disagree. The C&D drivers usually get some of the best times out of all the mags, almost to the point that some suspect they abuse the clutch to do so, a suspicion that is probably correct. However, I have to agree with that policy (if they do indeed do it), as it does showcase what the car's maximum potential is.

Even so, they are undoubtedly experienced drivers. Clutch abuse alone does not produce good times.
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I have to disagree. The C&D drivers usually get some of the best times out of all the mags, almost to the point that some suspect they abuse the clutch to do so, a suspicion that is probably correct. However, I have to agree with that policy (if they do indeed do it), as it does showcase what the car's maximum potential is.

Even so, they are undoubtedly experienced drivers. Clutch abuse alone does not produce good times.
Very true.
They were one of the only testers to get the WRX to 5.4 sec. Many people were questioning it. But, there are varients in engine production as well.
Sometimes a few cars come off the line with exceptional performance.
Combine that with an exceptional driver and the right conditions and you gets numbers that are too good to be true. But, usually they are.
That 5.4 for the WRX is an anomaly as the WRX is not considered a 5.4 car, it's more in line with mid to upper 5's.

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