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Old 03-12-2009, 08:17 PM   #181
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Give me a break. I'm sorry that I am not up to date on all the latest BMW TSB's concerning their changing recommendations for M car motor oil. I would be willing to bet that if you went to your dealer, their service techs would not be either, and they have the information at a touch of a button.

Frankly, I took the time to post the information to bring some FACTUAL information to the group in an area where there is a lot of speculation, innacurate information, and speculation floating around. I don't notice that you have gone out and done the research and offered up any solid information on the subject!!! Instead you have chosen to take a caveat and note that since I don't have the most up to date TSB's in hand cast the dispersion that all my information must be innacurate. Childish.

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Thanks Cary. Most of us appreciate the quantitative data you have added to the discussion
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:31 AM   #182
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I've heard great things about Elf/Total Oil. Does anyone have any feedback or recommendations?
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:55 AM   #183
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I think I am just going to keep buying the oil for my BMW at the dealership. The price is within line, and in these times, I think it's important to support them.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:02 PM   #184
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Mobil 1 0W30, 5W30, 10W30 do NOT I repeat NOT meet spec for our engines, it doesn't meet ACEA A3,B3 and LL01 so ity's to thin and far worse the HTHS is to low. Only M1 0W40 meets spec. Remember most XW30's don't meet spec, and it's all written on the oil bottles so you really don't need to know about oil.
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:07 PM   #185
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I've heard great things about Elf/Total Oil. Does anyone have any feedback or recommendations?
Elf/Total oil has some realy good oil, just make sure it has the proper spec for your engine
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:31 AM   #186
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Total Quartz 9000 is a good one.
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:05 AM   #187
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Thanks for the heads up jbeurotech.
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Old 03-20-2009, 04:38 AM   #188
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I am a little confused... You stated: A few important things about the BMW oil a) it is a Group III hydrocracked oil which cannot be called synthetic in Europe,
You then also said: All other Castrol, Quaker State, Pennzoil, Valvoline "synthetics" are a Group III hydrocracked oil. So are you recomending BMW oil and not the others? or what?
Is "Group III hydrocracked" good? or not good?

I just replaced my oil with Quaker State Horse Power full synthetic SAE 5W-30W That meets the performance specifications of: ILSAC GF-4, API SM, & ACAE A5-02.
Is that OK? Or should I drain it and replace it with M1? Thanks
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Old 03-20-2009, 04:49 AM   #189
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mobil 1 0w 40 every 15k....filter every 7.5k
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Old 03-20-2009, 04:52 AM   #190
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I am a little confused... You stated: A few important things about the BMW oil a) it is a Group III hydrocracked oil which cannot be called synthetic in Europe,
You then also said: All other Castrol, Quaker State, Pennzoil, Valvoline "synthetics" are a Group III hydrocracked oil. So are you recomending BMW oil and not the others? or what?
Is "Group III hydrocracked" good? or not good?

I just replaced my oil with Quaker State Horse Power full synthetic SAE 5W-30W That meets the performance specifications of: ILSAC GF-4, API SM, & ACAE A5-02.
Is that OK? Or should I drain it and replace it with M1? Thanks
-There are group 3 hydrocracked oils, group 4, and group 5. The group 4 oils are true synthetics, while group 5 are like extremely high end true synthetics. BMW oil is a highly refined group 3, Mobil 1 0w-40 is a group 4, and only a few companies like Redline make group 5 oils.

-There is nothing wrong with group 3 oils so long as they meet the specifications (which in detail are an ACEA A3-B3 rating and a viscosity between 11 and 14 centistokes)

-No need to drain your oil right away, cause that would just be a waste, but I wouldn't go too far on it. Maybe put like 3000 miles on it an then switch to an approved oil.
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What mkodama said. You picked an oil that doesn't meet spec, must meet ACEA A3 and LL01. I'm struggling to understand why BMW owners find this so hard to get right?
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Old 03-20-2009, 08:52 PM   #192
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Because LL01 spec. is only good for long time between oil change intervals. I will agree with A3, but you can find other oil that will be meet spec for A3.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:36 AM   #193
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so ACEA A5-02 does NOT meet the ACAE A3 spec? what does it mean then? ACAE A2 is better than A3? A4? etc? (I get the visc 30w -vs- 40w thingy)

as for sprintmans "struggle"..... Please excuse my feable attempt to do whats right for a car I have owned for less than 60 days with the intention of ecxeeding the dealers money saving excessive mileage between warranted oil changes..

Apologies
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:46 AM   #194
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Just make sure it says meets ACEA A3 on the bottle.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:12 AM   #195
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All this oil talk is great.

My 99 just loves Walmart Supertech 5w-30 synthetic ... $17 for a 5 quart bucket. Add in another quart and a half for good measure, along with the filter ... voila! Oil changed for under $30.

Been using it for years, and I'm at 162,000 miles running strong.

Gonna look into a E90 soon. The first thing I'm gonna do is change the oil with Walmart Supertech.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:24 PM   #196
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Because LL01 spec. is only good for long time between oil change intervals. I will agree with A3, but you can find other oil that will be meet spec for A3.
Uh, thats only part of the LL equation. It also specs oil viscosity, which is rather "thick" 30 wt. Some "thinner" 30 wts. can meet ACEA A3 but not LL. ACEA A3 gives the needed HTHS (high temp, high shear) rating of >3.5., but doesn't necessarily specify a viscosity. For best results, you need to pay attention to both.
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Old 03-21-2009, 04:48 PM   #197
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or you could buy BMW oil.
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:35 PM   #198
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or you could buy BMW oil.
Thats too easy .
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:59 PM   #199
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Because LL01 spec. is only good for long time between oil change intervals. I will agree with A3, but you can find other oil that will be meet spec for A3.


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Old 03-21-2009, 10:39 PM   #200
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I know a lot people, that is using 5W-30 oil (mobil, Castrol, Valvoline and ect).All these people bought their car, when their were brand new, now they have about 130K and never have a problem with engine and oil consumption. So, probably you need learn a lot.
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