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Old 05-27-2004, 04:32 PM   #21
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Cary, so much info. You rock man.
I feel like I'm back in college, but it's all soaking in. . Are you a bio-chemist specializing in pertroleum or something? Thanks again man. You can never have enough information/facts about cars.....at least on this board.
I hold a Doctorate but is does not relate to chemistry or engineering. The information is just the result of searching out hard facts instead of speculation.

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Old 05-27-2004, 04:36 PM   #22
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I hold a Doctorate but is does not relate to chemistry or engineering. The information is just the result of searching out hard facts instead of speculation.

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Yeah, the i-net i great for that (along with the library). Again, great post though. I now realize and admit, I've been fairly ignorant about oils/lubricants for a while now, gotta start paying more attention. . Cheers.



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Old 05-27-2004, 04:48 PM   #23
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Great write up.
Glad I get mine changed every 7500...
In fact, next week!
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Old 05-27-2004, 04:56 PM   #24
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P.S. See it's your 8th post.......Welcome to the board!
Thanks, came cruising over because I was looking at a 323it with a 5 speed and wanted to see potential problem areas. I am getting tired of my Wife's E34 525i (which I seemed to have inherited since we had a baby and she took my Landcruiser) and want something different. The 525i has not been a good car, in contrast to the 1600 my Wife had, the two 320i's, the E30 325 her sister had, the E28 528e her dad had. Way to many problems up to and including the auto trans. I have driven the E39 and it is nice, to be frank the 323it feels the most like what I deem to be a BMW of the newer ones I have driven. It doesn't have a lot of power, but is tossable enough to be a good track car.

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Old 05-27-2004, 05:06 PM   #25
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Unless you have an M3, in the following order:

1) Mobil 1 0w-40,
2) Mobil 1 0w-40, and
3) Mobil 1 0w-40

If you can't find the 0w-40, the Mobil 1 SUV 5w-40 is a great oil. Can't find either of these, then go to your dealer and get the BMW 5w-30.

The Mobil 1 0w-40 is a great oil, widely available (Walmart, Checker, Kragen, Autozone), and moderately priced. It is factory fill in Mercedes AMG, Porsche, and Austin Martin.

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Yup that's what I've been using!!!
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Old 05-27-2004, 08:11 PM   #26
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Is Mobil 1 0W-40 relatively new?? Appreciate the info, but wish i would've heard it sooner, so then what's with all the diys and countless members on this board or other boards who have used/are using Mobil 1 5W-30? I just changed the oil myself and used this oil which, apparently, is now the wrong oil to use.....is there really a big diff? Guess my engine is screwed now
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Old 05-27-2004, 08:32 PM   #27
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Cary, Great info. I have heard that one should not switch from regular oil to synthetic? Do you know if this is true. I have been thinking of using Mobil 1 in my 2002 4Runner, but don't know if I should switch. I have done it in the past with other cars, but never knew if it was OK.

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Old 05-27-2004, 08:38 PM   #28
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I've done a little research myself and I"ve come up with that Mobil 1 5W-30 should be fine. The manual says to use API SH or higher. The back of the oil container says that the oil exceeds API SL and SJ.

This PDF I came across says SL and SJ is more current than SH.
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/ACF2AF.pdf
So you're saying we still shouldn't be using Mobil 1 5W-30? I'm confused, heh.

I've been using Mobil 1 5W-30 since my first oil change and that was about five oil changes ago.
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Old 05-27-2004, 08:41 PM   #29
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my yellow oil light goes on once in a while... i need to add oil i think... im gonna go buy oil right now... which exact one do i need i have a 2004 330ci id really aprreciate the info im not too familiar with which oil i need and how far should i fill it? thanks

btw i have about 5k miles on my car right now...

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Old 05-28-2004, 12:16 AM   #30
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Cary, Great info. I have heard that one should not switch from regular oil to synthetic? Do you know if this is true. I have been thinking of using Mobil 1 in my 2002 4Runner, but don't know if I should switch. I have done it in the past with other cars, but never knew if it was OK.

Any Advice?

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Do it, don't worry about it. It is an old wifes tail that comes from a combination of old rope seals (from the 50's and before) and early synthetics in the 70's not containing seal swellers.

Just to prempt the regular question that comes next, you can switch weight, brands, and from synth to mineral and back at will. It won't hurt anything.

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Old 05-28-2004, 12:18 AM   #31
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I've done a little research myself and I"ve come up with that Mobil 1 5W-30 should be fine. The manual says to use API SH or higher. The back of the oil container says that the oil exceeds API SL and SJ.

This PDF I came across says SL and SJ is more current than SH.
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/ACF2AF.pdf
So you're saying we still shouldn't be using Mobil 1 5W-30? I'm confused, heh.

I've been using Mobil 1 5W-30 since my first oil change and that was about five oil changes ago.
API standards are for lack of a better term, junk. They are bear minimums, just like Tires have to be DOT approved, but that approval doesn't mean they are any good. If your confused about the weight, go back and read my original post explaining the thickness or lack there of, of Mobil 1 5w-30.

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Old 05-28-2004, 12:36 AM   #32
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FYI all.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...bil1_0W-40.asp

Anyway, what's happened to my engine now that I've gone 15K miles with Mobil1 5w-30 oil?
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Old 05-28-2004, 01:13 AM   #33
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great post!! and welcome to the board!
thanks so much for the info!
mods should make this a sticky so that everybody could see it ... or do a write up in the FYI or somethign??!
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Old 05-28-2004, 01:37 AM   #34
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Yeah, thanks for the post and this is great info!
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Old 05-28-2004, 02:20 AM   #35
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FYI all.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...bil1_0W-40.asp

Anyway, what's happened to my engine now that I've gone 15K miles with Mobil1 5w-30 oil?
Thanks for the great write-up Cary.

FYI concerning 5W30: (Thanks for the link Commander FAT)

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...licationsTitle

BMW DOES NOT APPROVE M1 5W 30

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Old 05-28-2004, 02:31 AM   #36
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so, number 1 is inaccurate...how many of the others are too?

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Old 05-28-2004, 08:53 AM   #37
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Whats your take on Amsoil Series 2000 oil? People who use it swear by it. They even make claims that their oil can last up to 35K (or one year) between changes (not that any enthusiast would wait that long). After reading alot of articles/tests about oils, seems like they do rank Redline and Amsoil a notch higher than most synthetics. Curious to hear your opinion on this.
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FYI all.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...bil1_0W-40.asp

Anyway, what's happened to my engine now that I've gone 15K miles with Mobil1 5w-30 oil?
Most likely nothing. If you were doing oil analysis you would likely see slightly higher Iron and Lead numbers than with the heavier oil. Where I would be really concerned is long trips at high speed in hot weather or lapping days where oil temps are high and the oil thinner than normal. Potentially under these conditions you could cause accelerated piston, valvetrain and cylinder wear.

Remember that the reason the BMW NA recomended Mobil 1 5w-30 as topoff oil was the recommendation was put in place 8-10 years ago. At that time there was no 0w-40 only 5w-30, 10w-30 & 15w-50. BMW NA has never updated this recommendation.

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Old 05-28-2004, 10:02 AM   #39
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Any issue with switching between BMW Castrol and Mobil 1

OK I plan on changing my oil myself in between the changes provided by the dealer/maintenance plan. Obviously the dealer is going to use the Castrol BMW. From your article you suggest the Mobil 1 over the Castrol. If I use the Mobil 1 for one change and the dealer uses the Castrol for the next etc etc etc are there any issues with alternating oils ?
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so, number 1 is inaccurate...how many of the others are too?

Give me a break. I'm sorry that I am not up to date on all the latest BMW TSB's concerning their changing recommendations for M car motor oil. I would be willing to bet that if you went to your dealer, their service techs would not be either, and they have the information at a touch of a button.

Frankly, I took the time to post the information to bring some FACTUAL information to the group in an area where there is a lot of speculation, innacurate information, and speculation floating around. I don't notice that you have gone out and done the research and offered up any solid information on the subject!!! Instead you have chosen to take a caveat and note that since I don't have the most up to date TSB's in hand cast the dispersion that all my information must be innacurate. Childish.

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