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07-01-2004, 02:54 AM
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Decided to go through with the E46 M3 Engine Transplant => 323i...SMG/LSD/Engine PIX
So finally got my hands on a M3 motor/SMG/LSD/Cluster/seats...It's gonna be fun taking my car apart...Wish me luck, I'm gonna need a lot of it...=)
Cluster + LSD + rear suspension...  Exhaust Pipes...  Box of cables...  M3 Seats...  Steering Column  DME/ECU/Top Damaged Engine...  SMG Tranny  SMG design is great...its actually just another module attached on to a manual tranny...so if you had SMG you could make it a 6speed...  Spark Plug Chamber  Head  Double Vanos  I thought installing a supercharger myself would be hard but it turned out, it's not so bad after all...of course this is a completely different...but who knows... |
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07-01-2004, 03:01 AM
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thats some cool sh*t man. how long til its done?
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07-01-2004, 03:04 AM
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I'm working and I have school...so that leaves like Sat and Sunday...its gonna be a while? 2-3 months?
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07-01-2004, 03:09 AM
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holly ****! i wish i was that confident in my wrench skills.
that is quite a task, i have one question though. i do not mean to flame or put down or anything. i think what you are doing kickz ass, but how much did all of those parts alone cost you? and how do you know how to do that large of an install? i almost cried when i saw the smg and the LSD, but then the engine....whoah! best of luck, please keep us updated... ps...that your car in the sig? simply beautiful. |
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07-01-2004, 03:13 AM
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Yep thats my car...just got it back...my waranty expired like 3 days ago...got a bunch of stuff replaced on the last day...new vanos unit also...hopefully someone will want to buy a 323i engine...only 35k miles on it too =)
Parts were pretty expensive...I'll release the prices when I finish the project...I kno I kno...cheaper if you bought a 2002 M3 for 35-40k...but no point in having another M3 in the family.... I actually don't know how to do a engine install...but I didn't know what a supercharger was either...Hopefully by the end of all of this I'll know the E46 down to each screw and bolt... |
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07-01-2004, 03:18 AM
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mad props, it takes real balls to mess with that shyt. good luck
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07-01-2004, 03:18 AM
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oh yea, and make sure to write up a brief DIY.
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07-01-2004, 03:31 AM
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Good Luck!!
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07-01-2004, 03:37 AM
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Eh....those M3 seats look ugly. Never knew how ugly those seats were.
Anyway, that's some crazy crap right there. Don't forget pics pics pics!
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07-01-2004, 03:38 AM
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Damn man, your one of my idols...Ever since the Diy for the SC and Navi...Good Luck with all this, and Please post pics along the way...
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07-01-2004, 03:38 AM
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yup, just read about everything on your cite. first off, let me say that i truly admire your willingness to learn and your diy diaries. you have done an excellent job in both the write ups and the installs. a supercharger install on your own is impressive in anyone's book!
when this is all said and done you will have the only e46 m3 i have ever heard of that is also a 4 door. good luck |
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07-01-2004, 03:43 AM
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If you get it done, you will be my hero!
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07-01-2004, 03:45 AM
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Very impressive. I look forward to following the progress.....perhaps we can work out a deal for some incremental updates on the main page?
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07-01-2004, 04:07 AM
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I'm sure there's gotta be a few 4door's that have done the swap but it must be rare...probably some in germany that we just don't know about? There's gonna be a few nice features in the conversion too...heated front seats...automatic on/off for xenon's...DSC III...plus the DME/ECU will actually accept the navigation as standard...
I always take a lot of pictures so don't worry about that part...and of course, tim, you can use the pictures...not a problem =) |
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07-01-2004, 04:07 AM
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u are gonna be every 323 owners hero
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07-01-2004, 04:08 AM
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On a side note...
I'm going to have to replace a few things on the M motor to get it to work...Airbox....throttle bodies....injectors...anyone have any after market ideas? I'm thinking GruppeM intake...maybe a shark...what else is there for the M3? |
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07-01-2004, 04:19 AM
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damn, mad props for trying this. Definitely keep us updated.
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07-01-2004, 04:28 AM
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damn dude.. u got some balls!!!
g'luck and deffinately keep us updated!  |
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07-01-2004, 04:38 AM
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yeah man, keep us updated... do you dink it'll be easy to just swap an auto to manual tranny?
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07-01-2004, 07:15 AM
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MITE46,
i just read through your site... you are possibly the smartest guy on this forum. Some of the tasks you've tackled are not for the meek at heart. must be that IVY league education  Yah, you've got balls of steel... no way would i rip apart my whip... especially if i didn't know what i was doing!!
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07-01-2004, 07:15 AM
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good luck to you best wishes hope very thing goes smooth
and welcome to the m3 family i guess hehehe. keep us inform of the project.
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07-01-2004, 08:09 AM
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Amazing. I just read through all of his websites and I fell of my chair about 10 times. Awesome!
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07-01-2004, 08:55 AM
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I checked your web site of DIYs, it's very impressive. you are one of kind and must be my hero. I can't wait to see how this project goes.
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07-01-2004, 08:58 AM
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 ....I wish, i really really do. How??? You must show us the way! Either way, pimp on bro, and let us know how it goes. |
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07-01-2004, 09:04 AM
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How! Go for it! That is going to be awesome
I'm doing a 3.0L swap, I could never find the M3 engine But I am truly happy for you. We definately need to compare notes. Congrats Dave |
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07-01-2004, 09:25 AM
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Thats friggin awesome man. Keep us posted!
...and yes you have the ability to put an ///M badge on the back of your car now.
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07-01-2004, 10:48 AM
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hey dude, ive done this swap in to a 325 ci before, but never seen it done in a 4 door, this is gonna be the ultimate sleeper. thats bad ass, as for the ideas, get a 3.91 differential, Shark engine software/ Dinan SMG software. change the intake & exhaust, just get a single port exhaust, that'll throw em off even more. good luck man, this is gonna be just about the sickest swap ive ever seen.
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07-01-2004, 10:49 AM
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07-01-2004, 11:00 AM
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I would think a sedan E46 would be a better Sleeper, anybody that really knows would think you were a poser with an ///M and give it a go. They would be definitely shocked and eating dust...
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07-01-2004, 11:04 AM
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this 323i will be BIG sleeper, indeed, the man has BIG balls to tackle this task
 !!! It'd be an amazing experience to be part of such a project, I wish I were in the east cost 
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07-01-2004, 12:23 PM
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07-01-2004, 12:30 PM
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07-01-2004, 12:41 PM
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Gonna keep the 323i badge on there...a 323 isn't a 2.3L engine anyway...all marketing right? =)
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07-01-2004, 12:44 PM
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Change the 2 and the 3 around...332 would be unique. Sell off that s/c to get the money to do the install and upgrade suspension and brakes as needed with the new power
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07-01-2004, 12:55 PM
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Are there advantages of having a front M3 suspension over a 323i front suspension? I'm already hoping my coils will fit in the rear...I definately need new brakes...=)
Anyone know of the M3 has more aggressive steering...if the rack turns faster on a m3? |
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07-01-2004, 12:56 PM
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whers ur car located ?
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07-01-2004, 12:56 PM
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whers ur car located ?
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07-01-2004, 12:57 PM
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San Marino...not too far from you...=)
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07-01-2004, 01:05 PM
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yes the steering ratio of an M3 is alot tighter, maybe by like 3/4 or 1 full of a turn lock to lock, its a BIG difference, also, the steering is variable at higher speed, and on top of all that, its 6 pounds lighter than your 323's.
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07-01-2004, 01:06 PM
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and yes the suspension is better too, i dont know how it will react to that chassis,(being 4 doors instead of 2, and the wieght distribution difference), but yes the M3's suspension will definetley help handling and ride, it will also take all that hopping around from the SMG alot better too.
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07-01-2004, 01:25 PM
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damn...i guess i'll have kw v2's up for sale now also...I was like how the hell do yo know all of this...then I realized your a Master Tech! NICE! =)
6 pounds lighter? What if I like my current steering...anyway to keep that...is it a variable setting? Sounds like I'll be asking you a few questions along the way =) |
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07-01-2004, 01:28 PM
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yep...grew up here in SM...my commute is like half a mile...i'll be glad to show u when its all done...
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and yes you can feel free to ask me anything you need along the way, if im not on just PM me and ill get back to you, BMW's are my life, and my passion, and i dont mind helping anyone else who shares the same feelings i do about them. ESPECIALLY a bad ass/ balls to the wall swap like this
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07-01-2004, 01:41 PM
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wow.... good luck.
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07-01-2004, 02:07 PM
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yay! i drive bmw, yay!
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this is awesome! Bout time we had someone do this on the board
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07-01-2004, 02:10 PM
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That's crazy man. You're crazy.
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 Ain't no way that DIY is gonna be brief!I give you tons of credit for undertaking this. You may not know how to do it, but from looking at your site, you must have some skillz. Good luck, I can't wait for updates.
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07-01-2004, 03:58 PM
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B-M3-W: So there are really two seperate issues...
1: The power steering on the M3 is 6 lbs lighter...if I don't change my steering column then I should keep the current feel correct? or is the power steering somewhere else? 2: The rack and pinion turns faster on the M3...If I want this...I just need to get an M3 rack/pinion correct? or where is the turning speed determined? |
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07-01-2004, 04:56 PM
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Dude that is just plain SICK, good luck with it all.
 I am a bit worried about all the extra parts you are going to need, but guess it will all be fun. Keep us all informed, I hope you are writing this up as a DIY Durgesh
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07-01-2004, 05:50 PM
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Good luck... its a hell of a project... but with that MIT education should be a piece of cake...
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07-01-2004, 05:58 PM
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thats a crazy DIY
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I place this post in my favorites, please keep us update.
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2. and yes this is true, the steering speed is determined inside the column. theres a series of gears and the only thing that makes one different from the other is the ratio, the turn radius, and wheel well space will remain the same. the only difference is that you dont have to turn the M as far to get it to do what you want(alot crisper). then the M has the variable of course, but honestly, i have it on mine and its not that much of a difference on the variable, but the turning speed is alot more crisp. |
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out****instanding.
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07-02-2004, 01:48 PM
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Good luck dude, i remember reading about your car computer installation and that has always always stuck in my head. I don't know if you remember but i sent that off to my friend Moto and he put it up on his Techzone website. Keep us updated w/ the whole thing, and of course, take a lot of pictures.
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07-09-2004, 05:35 PM
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It's getting time to put all of this **** in...Doesn't it make sense to lift the car and then raise the engine? Since i am doing tranny...driveshaft..and everythign else? or is it still better to go from the top down...I'm not changing the front suspension (control arms...etc...)
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why not change it to a 332?
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07-09-2004, 05:56 PM
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George, awhile back you were asking about this conversion and now your really doing it.... MIT does help huh? I bet you looked all over to get these parts. You know I love DIY but nothings compares to what you have done. You are truely a
Good luck with your new project. Charlie
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Let's just say I like doing E46 homework rather than MIT homework =)
Things I'll be needing =) Part Number Part Description 11 62 7 830 659 Exhaust Manifold Rear 22 11 2 229 898 Engine Mount Left 07 12 9 902 659 Engine Studs 12 51 7 831 652 Engine Wiring Harness, Engine Transmission Module 12 51 7 831 646 Engine Wiring Harness, Engine Module 12 51 7 831 537 Wiring Harness, Engine Ignition Module ????????????? SMG Computer SMG Knob, Shifter Cap Pedals 12_0911 All Parts Throttle Body/Acceleration 13 54 7 832 168 1. Throttle Housing Assembly 13 54 7 832 169 2. Throttle Housing Assembly 13 54 7 832 170 3. Throttle Housing Assembly 13 54 7 832 169 4. Throttle Housing Assembly 13 54 7 832 169 5. Throttle Housing Assembly 13 54 7 832 171 6. Throttle Housing Assembly All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 11_2995 All Parts Cylinder Head Cover 11 12 7 830 438 Cylinder Head Cover (Metal) 11 12 7 831 253 Cylinder Head Cover (Plastic) All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 11_2999 All Parts Crank Case-Ventilation/Oil Separator 11 15 7 830 948 Oil Separator All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 11_2179 All Parts Cooling System-Fan/Fan Coupling 11 52 1 712 058 Fan Blade 11 52 7 831 619 Fan Coupling All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 11_3012 All But Intake Manifold Intake Manifold System 11 61 7 831 740 Support 11 61 7 830 356 Air Duct 11 61 7 830 104 Gasket 17_0207 All Parts Radiator/Frame 17 10 2 228 941 Radiator 17 11 2 228 946 Right Air Duct 17 11 2 228 945 Left Air Duct 17 10 2 228 943 Fan Housing All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 12_0909 All Parts Valves/Pipes of Fuel Injection System 13 53 7 830 974 Injection Pipe 13 64 7 830 975 Injection Valve (6 Injectors) All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 13_0910 All Parts Idle Regulator Valve/Additional Air Line 13 54 7 831 481 Additional Air Line 13 41 1 733 090 T-Shape Idle Regulating Valve 13 41 7 831 442 Air Tube All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 11_3011 All Parts Cooling System Water Hoses 11 53 7 830 714 Pipe 11 53 7 831 528 Return Pipe 12_1103 All Parts Throttle Actuator 12 72 7 831 529 Throttle Actuator All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… 13_0920 All Parts Suction Silencer/Filter Cartridge 13 62 7 830 359 Mass Air Flow Sensor 13 71 7 831 274 Intake Muffler 13 71 7 830 101 Intake Tube 13 71 7 830 100 Suction Hood All other various small parts Bolts, nuts, pipes… |
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WOW!!!!!
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Nope...If i could get those parts then it wouldn't be on the list...that's the repair list...thats where having connections to the dealer helps a lot...even then its a lot of $$$
 I'll be working on this project once a week....prolly on saturday...rebuilding the engine probably next week...then dropping it in one of the weeks after...all really depends on when the parts arrive... It's friday night we should all be clubbing anyways =) |
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one day.. I am going to be able to tell my kids.. "i know a guy who swapped an m3 engine himself, and he goes to MIT.."
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And then your kids will say..."WTF? They had engines back then? WHeels? WTF...you mean the cars weren't hovering? lame...."
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07-10-2004, 02:29 AM
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MITE46: WOW man. MUCH respect to you!! Your balls wouldn't fit in the back of a dump truck.
P.S. if you don't mind me asking, are those replica Hamann side skirts? I'd love to ditch my Rieger skirts for those, but I sure as hell am not paying Hamann price for authentic ones. Overpriced crap!! Bart |
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07-10-2004, 02:32 AM
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wow thats insane, what u majoring in at mit? engineering? good luck to u let us know how everything goes
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07-10-2004, 02:35 AM
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i can help u on the comp stuff if u want.....i'm pretty pro at that
however, where did u get an OBDII software monitor program? or you actually wrote you own? if you wrote your own then it's crazy..... btw i didn't kno amd made a xp1600 with 512kb L2 cache....i thought it was only the barton cores that had 512kb L2 =P
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07-10-2004, 02:35 AM
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07-10-2004, 05:48 AM
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Yeah they are hamann replicas...was like 200 for the pair...of course i didn't write my own...if I could i'd be selling shark injectors =p...there's lots of OBDII monitoring programs on the web...google is your friend =)...yep majored in good old course 6 (eecs) at mit...now doing networks at caltech...too bad all the computer stuff i did is not pretty much obsolete...you can get off the shelf itx form factors with built in inverters for like $400 now...but whatevers it was for the thrill back then anyway...kinda drunk from clubbing...next week is the big week =)
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07-10-2004, 01:30 PM
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you have a major set of balls bro
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07-10-2004, 01:30 PM
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oh, and post more pics of the engine if you can - like the side (headers)
thanks!!!
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07-10-2004, 02:33 PM
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W0W amazing interesting to see how this goes
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07-12-2004, 03:17 PM
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updates for the weekend? + a BUMP
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07-12-2004, 08:34 PM
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wasn't gonna update cus this is so insignificant...but since you asked...went shopping for a engine cart...well guess what no one had one...kragen...autozone...homedepot...so i just made one out of a moving dolly...good for 600lbs..ghetto i know...
           Next update will be over next weekend...im juggling school and 2 jobs... |
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