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Old 08-04-2004, 01:35 PM   #1
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Help with fitting my new rims

Guys, picked up a set of Type 3 18's today. Tried fitting the rear on and when I lowered the car from the jack, the wheel was sitting OUTSIDE of the wheelarch about 4-5mm. I.e., when you look from the rear of the car, the arch is sitting ON the tyre, not just rubbing, but real dragster looking.

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8.5j x 18 all round, 235/40/18 tyres. The package included hub centric spacers which are weird looking things and I've included a pic here.



They physically clip into the inside of the rim for them to sit neatly around the hub.

Question, does anyone know if it's ok to fit these rims WITHOUT these spacers. The reason why I ask is that these spacers make the wheel fit around the hub really snugly, without them, the only thing keeping everything central is the wheel bolts themselves (if that makes sense), i.e., without the spacers, if I stick the wheel on, it looks off, holes don't line up naturally etc.

Any help appreciated guys. Thanks
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Old 08-04-2004, 01:38 PM   #2
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I would use the hub centric rings
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Old 08-04-2004, 01:51 PM   #3
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I would use the hub centric rings
These are *not* spacers, these are hubcentric rings that that slide into the hub hole on the back of the wheel, DO NOT remove them! Doing so would make the fitment no longer hubcentric and will cause many problems, including vibration and additional stress on the lug bolts.
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:41 PM   #4
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Guys, picked up a set of Type 3 18's today. Tried fitting the rear on and when I lowered the car from the jack, the wheel was sitting OUTSIDE of the wheelarch about 4-5mm. I.e., when you look from the rear of the car, the arch is sitting ON the tyre, not just rubbing, but real dragster looking.

The dimensions are.

8.5j x 18 all round, 235/40/18 tyres. The package included hub centric spacers which are weird looking things and I've included a pic here.



They physically clip into the inside of the rim for them to sit neatly around the hub.

Question, does anyone know if it's ok to fit these rims WITHOUT these spacers. The reason why I ask is that these spacers make the wheel fit around the hub really snugly, without them, the only thing keeping everything central is the wheel bolts themselves (if that makes sense), i.e., without the spacers, if I stick the wheel on, it looks off, holes don't line up naturally etc.

Any help appreciated guys. Thanks
you have to use the hubsentric rings... also wuts the offset on the rear rims... something sounds weird?
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:42 PM   #5
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OK, looks like I have got the problem sorted. They're the wrong frickin' wheels

I tried fitting them on again with a friend and he pointed out that the "dish" i.e. the way the spokes of the wheels angled into the centre looked all wrong. We looked at the part numbers and we have a feeling that the rims are for an e39 (5 series)

According to the ACS catalog, the part number is 98 36 1 146 400

The part number stamped into the back of them is identical apart from where it SHOULD say 146 it says 139. My gut assumption is that 146 = e46 and 139 = e39. Gary, if you could confirm that against a part catalog that would be awesome (everywhere here is closed).

I'm HOPING it's an honest mistake by the dealer and they literally just picked up the wrong set as I know they had 3 sets sitting in the warehouse. The good thing is that I bought the rims from a main dealer and I get on really well with the parts guy and he'll sort it and I'm glad I didn't buy them on ebay or something

Gary, if you could confirm my assumption, that would be great.

Thanks

BTW, here's a pic of the rims.
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:44 PM   #6
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Wish I had my brain in gear when I picked these up. I guess I was caught up in the excitement. Just had a look at the offset stamp



Not sure if you can make it out but the top "line" says 8.5jx18 H2 ET15, offset 15, and I know the offset on the e46's should be 36/43. Ah well. Live and learn
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:51 PM   #7
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If theyre for a E39, and you dont want them, can you pm me a price if youd like to sell them?

Im sorry they didnt work out for you
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:54 PM   #8
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Let me see what happens at the dealer tomorrow, I'm hoping that it was an honest mistake and that he'll just take these back, stick the right ones back in the trunk and I'll be on my way. IF it doesn't happen like that then I'll shoot you a PM. You're in Sweden right? Shipping could be a b!tch but we can figure that out along the way.
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hope everything turns out ok... that's a very expensive mistake.
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Old 08-04-2004, 02:56 PM   #10
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hope everything turns out ok... that's a very expensive mistake.
I'm 99.9% sure it'll turn out fine. I've got a great relationship with the parts guys so I'm sure they'll do me right. I've ordered a ton of stuff from them in the past for me and for my friends, stuff which no other dealer would sell, "individual" items, etc. So I'm sure it'll be all good
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Im asking because you said you got a very good deal on them big fas, would you pm me the price you bought them for? maybe if he takes them back, maybe i could buy them anyways, dont know for sure yet, but maybe?

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Im asking because you said you got a very good deal on them big fas, would you pm me the price you bought them for? maybe if he takes them back, maybe i could buy them anyways, dont know for sure yet, but maybe?

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Sure. The price I paid was 1145.63 including taxes I guess about 1600
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Sounds like a very good price, my brother had them on his 328i before, now he got a 535i and is looking for rims, i just talked to him, and he may be interested, i just need to research on the shipping, do you know how much each one weighs?

Thanks once again man.
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:04 PM   #14
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I guess in total they'll weigh approximately 60-70kg, without putting them on scales I can't say, but I think that's a good estimate.

I'll let you know what happens tomorrow, my personal preference is they just straight swap them, but if they don't then they're yours (or your bros )
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i called offset from the beginning... im
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Old 08-05-2004, 04:28 AM   #16
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Sorted!

Dealer swapped out the rims for the "right" set including correct spacers / hub centric thingies and longer wheelbolts. The best thing was that he did me a deal on the first set of rims which had Dunlop tyres and he let them go cheaper, for the incovenience, instead of giving me the right set with the Dunlop tyres, he gave me the set with Pirelli P7000's so not only did I get a set of rims at less than retail, I got over 700 worth of tyres for free. Happy days
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very nice bro! glad it worked out for you
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