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Old 09-14-2004, 02:30 PM   #1
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What are some good groups to go with to the track in SoCal?

I've gone a few times with this one group called SpeedTrial USA. It's ok but there's a ton of cars and sometimes it's not that organized. I was wondering if there's some other groups that I can go with to the track. Also, is there anywhere else to go? I've been to Willow Springs and Buttonwillow.
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SpeedTrial USA is horrible. Last event, I attended one session and left. I was about 3 feet away from being t-boned by someone who tried to drift pass me in a hair pin.

Tommy is a cool guy but I think he's not enforcing the safety rules very well. Frankly, I am still surprised how he can stay in business. FYI, BMW CCA chapters have an average of about 0.3 accidents per event. National average is 3 per event. I don't even want to imagine what's SpeedTrial's average. Some of the drivers are just plain reckless and senseless. Once they sent out a "race driver" in a novice group.

BMW CCA chapters like LA, SD, Golden Gate and Central Calif have track schools all year round. 2-day Buttonwillow just ended last weekend. Upcoming is Sears Point by Golden Gate in November.
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If you were a USC student I'd suggest joining our newly formed Trojan Motorsports club...we are going to setup track events, karting events, dyno days etc...We welcome alumni, students (both undergrad and grad), faculty etc...
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I'm up for a track day........... Does anyone know how BMW NA feels about this as far as warranty goes ? I don't want to go to the track and find out my warranty has been voided. I think my buddy who is a mechanic for a local BMW dealer said it was cool and not to worry about.

When is the next so cal track day............
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I'm up for a track day........... Does anyone know how BMW NA feels about this as far as warranty goes ? I don't want to go to the track and find out my warranty has been voided. I think my buddy who is a mechanic for a local BMW dealer said it was cool and not to worry about.

When is the next so cal track day............
It specifically says on the car that any timed or competitive events break the warranty...on the other hand who is ever going to know? I have been to several autocrosses and still maintain my warranty
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SpeedTrial USA is horrible. Last event, I attended one session and left. I was about 3 feet away from being t-boned by someone who tried to drift pass me in a hair pin.

Tommy is a cool guy but I think he's not enforcing the safety rules very well. Frankly, I am still surprised how he can stay in business. FYI, BMW CCA chapters have an average of about 0.3 accidents per event. National average is 3 per event. I don't even want to imagine what's SpeedTrial's average. Some of the drivers are just plain reckless and senseless. Once they sent out a "race driver" in a novice group.

BMW CCA chapters like LA, SD, Golden Gate and Central Calif have track schools all year round. 2-day Buttonwillow just ended last weekend. Upcoming is Sears Point by Golden Gate in November.
Which speedtrial did you go to? I been to three of them this year, in jan, may, august and nothing seemed wrong to me, although I heard a lot of moaning and complaining in the pits.

Only accidents I saw at speed trial was during the challenge cup when a ferrari driver was being a retard, but that portion doesnt' count lol.
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It specifically says on the car that any timed or competitive events break the warranty...on the other hand who is ever going to know? I have been to several autocrosses and still maintain my warranty
There was a few incidents in the EVOVIII boards that Mitsubishi went into the online sign-in sheets and voided out warranty of the EVO's that were signed up. My friend has seen Mitsubishi who sent out district reps to tracks to copy down license plate numbers... which is why he tapes up the plates on his EVO
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Went to 2 events back in 2002. I never looked back ever. I admitted that I wanted something cheap. But it ended up not worth the risks at all.

Perhaps things have changed over the last year or so. I recommend that you participate a CCA event, then you will see what's being and should be done right at a driving event.

For instance, what's speedtrial's policy of drivers who go 4 wheels off?

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Which speedtrial did you go to? I been to three of them this year, in jan, may, august and nothing seemed wrong to me, although I heard a lot of moaning and complaining in the pits.

Only accidents I saw at speed trial was during the challenge cup when a ferrari driver was being a retard, but that portion doesnt' count lol.
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If you were a USC student I'd suggest joining our newly formed Trojan Motorsports club...we are going to setup track events, karting events, dyno days etc...We welcome alumni, students (both undergrad and grad), faculty etc...
I actually know someone who might be involved in this club. Is this an off-shoot from SAE club?
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I surprized to hear nobody mention NASA...I have driven all of the other organizations and I think its the best if not one of the better ones. But you can also go to touring car club, pantera club or even the alpha romeo club.
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As far as warranty goes, I think they do know about track events. I happen to live near the dealer that is rated #3 in the US for customer satisfaction, so my experience may not be anything like that of other people. Having said that, for my first ever DE I had my dealer do the technical inspection. I destroyed the brake pads and rotors on the car (no pads left - just backing plates) at the track and took the car in the Monday after the event asking for a brake job under full maintenance. I realized that this was unlikely, but I wasn't hiding anything from the dealer since they knew what I'd been doing. I talked to the techs and they said that they could tell the brakes had seen very high temperatures because of the way the calipers were rusting. I think the tire wear would be a give away as for marbles stuck up in the wheelwells and other places. Anyway, the service manager called BMWNA and told them the whole story and BMW paid for rotors, pads and the labor. I think it was a one-time deal, but they actually did it. Never had any trouble with warranty work after that, but I also didn't have a ton of warranty remaining and I haven't had any major problems that could reasonably be pinned on track use.
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You probably have more experiences with NASA than most of us here in So Cal. Care to explain the differences between NASA and CCA HPDE?

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I used to race with cca and I dont think they have anything else to offer but schools and racing, unless things have changed. NASA has many classes even some for cars without cages. For example I am currently competing in a regional time trial series with my E46 street car no cage. I dont know if CCA offers that kind of class. And for those who are going to the track for the first time then they also offer schools. I did the cca stuff about 7 years ago thats why I dont know if they have changed...
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Went to 2 events back in 2002. I never looked back ever. I admitted that I wanted something cheap. But it ended up not worth the risks at all.

Perhaps things have changed over the last year or so. I recommend that you participate a CCA event, then you will see what's being and should be done right at a driving event.

For instance, what's speedtrial's policy of drivers who go 4 wheels off?
During the few times I went to speedtrial, they were missing some corner workers, but my class had 20 cars over a 3 mile track, so I'm driving by myself most of the session. I do agree they need to be a bit more aggressive in terms of flagging people though.

Their policy for 4-wheel off is to return to the hot pits for a car inspection. They were pretty good at that, because I went offroading to avoid hitting a spinning Honda and they flagged me in at the next corner

I do have a CCA membership, but I choose the events based on convenience, and the other club we sponsor gets heavy discounts at STUSA.
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As far as warranty goes, I think they do know about track events. I happen to live near the dealer that is rated #3 in the US for customer satisfaction, so my experience may not be anything like that of other people. Having said that, for my first ever DE I had my dealer do the technical inspection. I destroyed the brake pads and rotors on the car (no pads left - just backing plates) at the track and took the car in the Monday after the event asking for a brake job under full maintenance. I realized that this was unlikely, but I wasn't hiding anything from the dealer since they knew what I'd been doing. I talked to the techs and they said that they could tell the brakes had seen very high temperatures because of the way the calipers were rusting. I think the tire wear would be a give away as for marbles stuck up in the wheelwells and other places. Anyway, the service manager called BMWNA and told them the whole story and BMW paid for rotors, pads and the labor. I think it was a one-time deal, but they actually did it. Never had any trouble with warranty work after that, but I also didn't have a ton of warranty remaining and I haven't had any major problems that could reasonably be pinned on track use.
Man, you got lucky! I was afraid to bring the car in for a scheduled maintenance until I got new tires on! But then again, the service techs were asking why I had new tires with less than 5000 miles
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Very interesting. So you do have quite a bit of motorsport history there! Care to share? In which case, does a name Carl McGinn rings a bell or two?

You're right. CCA offerrs driving events and racing events. But nothing in between, ie time trials and such. That's because CCA chapters are extremely particular about dealing with insurance companies. You figure, some of the chapter committee members are attorneys, hence you can imagine the number of waivers we have to sign. And yes, no convertibles. Racing schools are offered by Driving Concepts to prepare students for CCA racing events. With your kind of background, there is no need to attend the CCA driving events. I am planning once I move up from B to A, I will start to venture into other driving events. By then, I will have a lot to learn from folks like yourself.

We have a group of So Calers who are attending CCA driving events religiously. The boys just got back from Buttonwillow last weekend and heading off to Sears Point in November.


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Their policy for 4-wheel off is to return to the hot pits for a car inspection. They were pretty good at that, because I went offroading to avoid hitting a spinning Honda and they flagged me in at the next corner
Unfortunately, 4-wheel off at a CCA event comes with more than an inspection but also a one-to-one talk with the chief instructor, a stern warning and reciting the entire incident in front of the entire class. Did I mention that it will go onto your student record for all CCA chapters to look at?

A second time off in the same day, they will send you packing. No refund.
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Want a tip about getting dealers to change your rotors/pads under warranty?

A service manager attended the CCA event last weekend and gave everyone a tip. BMW NA will not honor pads replacement unless the brake light is on (ie you have rubbed the sensor). And BMW NA will not honor rotors that have a blue tint to the surface.

Tip is to drive around town for a week to get rid of the blue tint before sending into the dealer. As for the brake light, just file the damn sensor!

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