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Old 01-30-2014, 10:06 AM   #1
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I just purchased this 2001 330ci vert about 2 weeks ago. I haven't really driven it that much due to the weather here lately. I bought it from my neighbor. I moved in 2006 and had wanted this car since day one.

First, I am a DIYer in most cases, and thanks to this forum and all you guys out there, I got to know what to look for and prepared myself for the possible maintenance costs arising with a 13 year old E46 with 100K on the clock.

Second, my neighbor (bought it new) was meticulous in the upkeep of this car, and possibly one of the nicest men alive. When I first test drove the car, I told him I heard a rattle in right rear area. He stated that he would have it checked out, plus he had heard a squeal at start up when engine was cold. (I had not heard it) I bought it from him the evening he picked it up from the dealer with a full tank of gas.

The following is a summary of every dealership/stealership invoice, from day one. He got everything done at the dealer. This is a little bit of a brag, in that I think I got a very nice, well maintained E46, but I also think it is very informational for people who are looking to buy an E46 and issues that may come up and they are not DIYers.

The big thing I noticed was the terrible time he seemed to have with tires, rims and alignments. I know he let his younger daughters drive the car a lot, and that could have contributed to bent rims and strange tire wear, but is this a real common issue? I really did not read too much about this here. It also looks like he was always having work done on the pulleys and v-belts. Start-up squeaking?

I know I have things to do, VANOS seals(when its warmer), maybe the guibo, a lot was done to the cooling, but no water pump replacement, front suspension pieces, but otherwise I'm in a wait and see what happens mode.

WARNING: Sit down, so as you won't fall over when you see the total of costs. Not included in this list is 7 to 8 minor dings and dents he had pulled out by dent wizard for $100 a pop. Some of this is, I think, is the stealership finding things to do and taking advantage of people.

Excuse the format, I copied and pasted from excel and it jumbled things.



DATE MILEAGE WORK PERFORMED COST
1/15/2014 103418 New Altenator, v-belt, rear shocks, bumps stops, 4 - wheel alignment $2,120
1/2/2014 103390 New A/C tensioner and idler pulley, door clips and vapor seal on passenger door $665
10/24/2013 102398 New Key, replace A/C sensor $406
9/25/2013 102167 New hazzard/door lock switch, rear light assembly, oil change, plugs, oil pan gasket, VC gasket,changed MAF boot $2,244
2/22/2013 99317 New battery $269
1/29/2013 98829 New front bumper, radiator, A/C condenser, fan and shroud, coolant flush,evac and refresh A/C system (PO hit XMAS tree that fell off truck) $3,524
11/28/2012 98106 Oil change, microfilter, CCV clean and replace all hoses, VC gasket, new adjusting pulley, oil filter housing gasket $1,837
9/4/2012 96535 New upper radiator hose, idler pulley, brake flush, 4 wheel alignment, new windshield cowl, wipers, replaced bent rear control arm(lower fork arm from axle to subframe) $1,220
5/7/2012 94380 New glove box lock, plugs, coolant flush, oil change $893
10/31/2011 92287 4 wheel alignment, new air and microfilter, new hood latch lever assembly, new gasket ring for pwr steering cap $404
4/11/2011 85416 Replaced windshield washer pump and strainer, replaced drivers door latch, new rear rotors, brakes and sensor, replaced oil separator and all CCV hoses, wipers $1,836
12/13/2010 87677 replaced right rear rim(bent). New v-belt $330
11/29/2010 87450 new rear tires, replaced intake cam sensor $1,100
10/5/2010 86301 New expansion tank, thermostat, coolant flush, new left rear rim, brake flush, INSP 1 90K service, oil change,new floor mats, oil filter housing gasket, replaced front control arm bushings $2,034
5/28/2010 83337 new stop light switch???, all new belts $541
4/9/2010 81627 new left front wheel, new front tires, alignment $1,523
3/22/2010 81103 replaced thermostat, coolant flush, new VANOS oil pipe, vent hose, gasket $891
12/14/2009 79626 wiring to trunk lid repaired $187
10/6/2009 78094 replaced rod and spring and adjusted front left catch hook on top, oil change, new rear tires $879
4/3/2009 72504 repair trunk wiring, new 4 window up/down switch $448
10/8/2008 67905 new rt rear tail light assembly $190
10/6/2008 67894 new headlight bulb, new blower resistor for A/C fan, new front rotors, pads, and sensor, oil change, air filter $1,060
6/12/2008 64982 new right rear window gasket, right front spoiler piece, replaced oil leveling sensor $340
2/21/2008 61982 new fuel filter and plugs $469
12/3/2007 61066 inspection $16
7/12/2007 58505 replaced left cover assembly for top, headlight bulb, 4 wheel alignment, 2 front tires $715
4/19/2007 56050 BMW INSP 2, 2 new front tires, radiator flush, 4 wheel alignment, new belts, VC gasket $1,790
1/24/2007 53878 replaced right door mirror $563
1/2/2007 53612 repared broken wire for inside trunk button, inspection, all rotors and brakes replaced, new glove box lock, replaced push rod and tension spring on top $1,406
12/13/2005 42804 wiper inserts, 2 new rear tires,oil change,inspection $1,001
9/16/2005 39747 new battery, altenator, idler pulley, bmw goodwill/warranty $100
8/5/2005 37734 4 wheel alignment, new front left tire $387
8/2/2005 37614 new front right tire and rim $798
7/28/2005 37542 replaced front control arms and bushings warranty
2/10/2005 32542 inspection $15
12/3/2004 31300 driver side blinker bulb and socket, daytime running light bulb warranty
8/11/2004 28783 replaced exhaust camshaft sensor warranty
6/17/2004 28294 1 new tire, alignment, lower front spoiler replace, BMW INSP II $722
2/13/2004 23515 4 wheel alignment, inspection, 2 new tires $586
8/25/2004 19240 2 new tires $628
5/19/2003 16453 left brake light bulb warranty
2/3/2003 13984 inspection $15
3/30/2002 7795 4 wheel alignment $143
2/25/2002 7393 inspection, front bumper repair $208
11/3/2001 4919 replaced driver door handle warranty
Total $34,503
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I just purchased this 2001 330ci vert about 2 weeks ago. I haven't really driven it that much due to the weather here lately. I bought it from my neighbor. I moved in 2006 and had wanted this car since day one.

First, I am a DIYer in most cases, and thanks to this forum and all you guys out there, I got to know what to look for and prepared myself for the possible maintenance costs arising with a 13 year old E46 with 100K on the clock.

Second, my neighbor (bought it new) was meticulous in the upkeep of this car, and possibly one of the nicest men alive. When I first test drove the car, I told him I heard a rattle in right rear area. He stated that he would have it checked out, plus he had heard a squeal at start up when engine was cold. (I had not heard it) I bought it from him the evening he picked it up from the dealer with a full tank of gas.

The following is a summary of every dealership/stealership invoice, from day one. He got everything done at the dealer. This is a little bit of a brag, in that I think I got a very nice, well maintained E46, but I also think it is very informational for people who are looking to buy an E46 and issues that may come up and they are not DIYers.

The big thing I noticed was the terrible time he seemed to have with tires, rims and alignments. I know he let his younger daughters drive the car a lot, and that could have contributed to bent rims and strange tire wear, but is this a real common issue? I really did not read too much about this here. It also looks like he was always having work done on the pulleys and v-belts. Start-up squeaking?

I know I have things to do, VANOS seals(when its warmer), maybe the guibo, a lot was done to the cooling, but no water pump replacement, front suspension pieces, but otherwise I'm in a wait and see what happens mode.

WARNING: Sit down, so as you won't fall over when you see the total of costs. Not included in this list is 7 to 8 minor dings and dents he had pulled out by dent wizard for $100 a pop. Some of this is, I think, is the stealership finding things to do and taking advantage of people.

Excuse the format, I copied and pasted from excel and it jumbled things.



DATE MILEAGE WORK PERFORMED COST
1/15/2014 103418 New Altenator, v-belt, rear shocks, bumps stops, 4 - wheel alignment $2,120
1/2/2014 103390 New A/C tensioner and idler pulley, door clips and vapor seal on passenger door $665
10/24/2013 102398 New Key, replace A/C sensor $406
9/25/2013 102167 New hazzard/door lock switch, rear light assembly, oil change, plugs, oil pan gasket, VC gasket,changed MAF boot $2,244
2/22/2013 99317 New battery $269
1/29/2013 98829 New front bumper, radiator, A/C condenser, fan and shroud, coolant flush,evac and refresh A/C system (PO hit XMAS tree that fell off truck) $3,524
11/28/2012 98106 Oil change, microfilter, CCV clean and replace all hoses, VC gasket, new adjusting pulley, oil filter housing gasket $1,837
9/4/2012 96535 New upper radiator hose, idler pulley, brake flush, 4 wheel alignment, new windshield cowl, wipers, replaced bent rear control arm(lower fork arm from axle to subframe) $1,220
5/7/2012 94380 New glove box lock, plugs, coolant flush, oil change $893
10/31/2011 92287 4 wheel alignment, new air and microfilter, new hood latch lever assembly, new gasket ring for pwr steering cap $404
4/11/2011 85416 Replaced windshield washer pump and strainer, replaced drivers door latch, new rear rotors, brakes and sensor, replaced oil separator and all CCV hoses, wipers $1,836
12/13/2010 87677 replaced right rear rim(bent). New v-belt $330
11/29/2010 87450 new rear tires, replaced intake cam sensor $1,100
10/5/2010 86301 New expansion tank, thermostat, coolant flush, new left rear rim, brake flush, INSP 1 90K service, oil change,new floor mats, oil filter housing gasket, replaced front control arm bushings $2,034
5/28/2010 83337 new stop light switch???, all new belts $541
4/9/2010 81627 new left front wheel, new front tires, alignment $1,523
3/22/2010 81103 replaced thermostat, coolant flush, new VANOS oil pipe, vent hose, gasket $891
12/14/2009 79626 wiring to trunk lid repaired $187
10/6/2009 78094 replaced rod and spring and adjusted front left catch hook on top, oil change, new rear tires $879
4/3/2009 72504 repair trunk wiring, new 4 window up/down switch $448
10/8/2008 67905 new rt rear tail light assembly $190
10/6/2008 67894 new headlight bulb, new blower resistor for A/C fan, new front rotors, pads, and sensor, oil change, air filter $1,060
6/12/2008 64982 new right rear window gasket, right front spoiler piece, replaced oil leveling sensor $340
2/21/2008 61982 new fuel filter and plugs $469
12/3/2007 61066 inspection $16
7/12/2007 58505 replaced left cover assembly for top, headlight bulb, 4 wheel alignment, 2 front tires $715
4/19/2007 56050 BMW INSP 2, 2 new front tires, radiator flush, 4 wheel alignment, new belts, VC gasket $1,790
1/24/2007 53878 replaced right door mirror $563
1/2/2007 53612 repared broken wire for inside trunk button, inspection, all rotors and brakes replaced, new glove box lock, replaced push rod and tension spring on top $1,406
12/13/2005 42804 wiper inserts, 2 new rear tires,oil change,inspection $1,001
9/16/2005 39747 new battery, altenator, idler pulley, bmw goodwill/warranty $100
8/5/2005 37734 4 wheel alignment, new front left tire $387
8/2/2005 37614 new front right tire and rim $798
7/28/2005 37542 replaced front control arms and bushings warranty
2/10/2005 32542 inspection $15
12/3/2004 31300 driver side blinker bulb and socket, daytime running light bulb warranty
8/11/2004 28783 replaced exhaust camshaft sensor warranty
6/17/2004 28294 1 new tire, alignment, lower front spoiler replace, BMW INSP II $722
2/13/2004 23515 4 wheel alignment, inspection, 2 new tires $586
8/25/2004 19240 2 new tires $628
5/19/2003 16453 left brake light bulb warranty
2/3/2003 13984 inspection $15
3/30/2002 7795 4 wheel alignment $143
2/25/2002 7393 inspection, front bumper repair $208
11/3/2001 4919 replaced driver door handle warranty
Total $34,503
Wow. That dealer got the best of him. I could've restored two-three E46s with that money AND did it with 100% more precision and detail and high level of fine tuning AND more parts/goodies/upgrades. I hope you DIY!! Glad you got all those things though in your purchase
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As years go by things get more expensive. Its just how life works. It costs money to have nice things and there are millions of people that buy these cars at BMW, get them serviced at BMW, and never bitch about what the labor rates are. Its always the people that buy a car that's 10 years old that seem to have a problem with the dealership making money. Remember that BMW is a high end luxury brand and they didn't spend millions building each dealership so that they could repair 13 year old E46s for no profit. They cater to the high end customer that bought their car from their dealership. When it comes down to it they aren't worried about the guy that bought his 10 year old car at the local "buy here pay here" lot and comes in and wants everything done for nothing, but all the while will sneak over and grab a free coffee and some pastries and want a loaner car. Warranty work and CPO is what they concentrate on, as well as servicing the customers that actually bought their used car from them. I think people here forget that there are people that actually buy new BMWs. These people are successful business men and women that pay what it takes for the convenience of things like valet pick up and drop off, coffee bars, lounges with flat screen TVs and fireplaces that offer wifi so they can get work done while they wait for their car. They don't build those dealerships for people making minimum wage to bring in their old BMW to have it looked at only to go get it and take it somewhere else when they get a quote on the work. Trust me people, BMW is doing just fine even though you guys order your parts online and DIY your repairs. They will still be ok, and just as much as you don't want to mess with going there, they don't want to mess with you. Over my almost 20 years now in the auto industry I've noticed one very specific trend, and that is "the cheaper and older the car, the more of a pain in the ass the customer".

OP this isn't directed at you personally. Its more of a general comment to those that do nothing but bash the dealer and what they charge.


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Total $34,503
*$17K into repairs*

Dad: "I think it's time to buy you a Honda."

Daughters: "Nooooooo daddy! We love your car! Keep fixing it!"

*$34K later*

Dad: "We're selling it or I'll stop paying for your iPhone/credit card/etc."

.....I feel bad for the dad lol but congrats on getting a very well-maintained E46 op!

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That is a truly staggering figure. You did well to buy it from such a fastidious person, and now you can enjoy it and keep on top of what hopefully will be minor issues yourself. Congrats on the purchase!
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It's more bashing the owner. He could've saved half and went to a reputable BMW indy in the area. We know that dealerships are a business. More power to them. But they're usually filled with knucklehead advisors and techs (usually)
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I've said it before but I calculated all the stuff I've done to my car at dealer prices and it's easily over $100,000. So that $34k figure for that stuff seems to line up as I've easily done 3-4x more stuff than that list. maybe 5-6.
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To some people, you can't put a price on "peice of mind."
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What I find amazing is that there seems to be a lot of alignments and brakes and rotor changes. There must be 3/4 of them in the list over a span of 100K miles.......well I guess that is every 30K but the rotors shouldn't have to be changed out every time....that seems un-normal to me. Also the trunk wiring, did that twice in a short period.
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I've said it before but I calculated all the stuff I've done to my car at dealer prices and it's easily over $100,000. So that $34k figure for that stuff seems to line up as I've easily done 3-4x more stuff than that list. maybe 5-6.
Yeah, I didn't even see suspension stuff, shock, struts, RTABS, LCABs, differential bearings, steering guibo, CSB, Guibo, engine mounts.......
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To some people, you can't put a price on "peice of mind."
+1.

I would much rather spend the money knowing the work is done right and if it's not they stand behind it. I'm sure that there are lots of circumstances where people have done more harm than good messing around under the hood and with critical suspension and safety parts.


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Jesus Christ what kind of tires is this guy buying? Not only are they lasting like 10K miles, but they're $300 each. Only a moron would replace tires at a dealer.

Good god, this guy was a moron, or just so loaded he doesn't car. You could put a kid through college for the cost of this ****.
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With as many alignments as he has, I doubt any of this was done "right". Anyway, PO is an incompetent owner. This car was abused regardless of it's dealer history.

He went through 13 tires, THREE wheels, 3 VCG (WHAT? can you say incompetent install?), a couple thermostats, bent control arms?

What the **** was the PO doing to this car? Multiple bent wheels, bent control arms. Needed a new tire/bumper lip on 6/17 obviously hit something.
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OP, the mandatory question: how much $$ you paid for this car?
and 2nd: considering the maintenance history you should consider doing at least 4-5 DIY's every year to keep the same frequency, this car looks so weak...
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With as many alignments as he has, I doubt any of this was done "right". Anyway, PO is an incompetent owner. This car was abused regardless of it's dealer history.

He went through 13 tires, THREE wheels, 3 VCG (WHAT? can you say incompetent install?), a couple thermostats, bent control arms?

What the **** was the PO doing to this car? Multiple bent wheels, bent control arms. Needed a new tire/bumper lip on 6/17 obviously hit something.
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This breaks down into $0.33/mile and $240/month.
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Belts only last seven months? I had a dealer one time offer to replace an AC belt for $220!
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This breaks down into $0.33/mile and $240/month.
He should've just leased a bunch of cars instead hahaha
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Belts only last seven months? I had a dealer one time offer to replace an AC belt for $220!
He also got two thermostats in the same year.
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To some people, you can't put a price on "peice of mind."
Agreed. I'm one of them.

I take my car to BMW Seattle for just about everything - drop it off in the morning, get shuttled to the office, shuttled back at the end of the day, and I'm on my way. Repairs complete. And I don't honestly care what the repair bill is. As long as the work is done, done correctly, and I didn't spend my time doing it.

I haven't the time, knowledge, interest, tools, space, etc. for many DIY projects, and I'm not about to spend any portion of my weekend out in the garage repairing/replacing old worn out parts on my car (especially this time of year). I would much rather spend that time with my kids, family, etc.

I do however appreciate the DIY'ers on this forum and the many contributions you make for those that enjoy DIY.
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