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Old 10-18-2004, 07:21 PM   #201
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plenty of 323i have that problem
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:18 PM   #202
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OK, I wouldn't be surprised if my subframe was falling apart after reading all your posts. However, I want to clarify my specific problem. About a month ago my 2000 323i with 72k started making a grinding sound on the first right turn I make after driving about a half mile from my house. After that, nothing; I'm on the road making no turns for about 10 minutes so everything is warmed up by the time I'm making another turn. Now, what I hear seems to be coming from the FRONT right wheel area not the rear, and when the noise is occurring I actually feel a little "friction" or grinding in the steering wheel. I've seen some suggest control arms and bushings; would this be a more likely starting point for my troubleshooting? I don't understand why the problem would go away after a few minutes of driving if it were a subframe thing; seems like that would happen all the time at least if you took it through the same speed and degree of turn. No?
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:22 PM   #203
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i have the exact some problem.. there are 3 posts w/ ppl w/ that problem.. we need to address it
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:17 PM   #204
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here's a copy of the reply BMWNA has sent me!



Thank you for contacting BMW of North America, LLC regarding the
problems you are having with your BMW. We regret to learn of the issue you
are experiencing with your BMW. Please accept our apologies for the
inconvenience and the time you have spent dealing with this issue.

The actual longevity of any given part is dependent on a number of
factors; including care, maintenance, use and climate. During the life of a
vehicle, items may have to be repaired or replaced due to mechanical
failures or normal wear and tear.
Of course, this explanation does not
relieve the inconvenience or expense of dealing with problems when they
arise.

Your vehicle had warranty coverage for up to 4 years or 50,000 miles.
Unfortunately, your vehicle has well exceeded the warranty parameters.
Although we empathize with your situation, we are sorry to inform you
that BMW of North America, LLC, cannot offer you post-warranty
assistance.

We value our BMW customers and are sorry that we were unable to meet
your expectations. If you have any further questions, please respond to
this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at
1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M.,
Eastern Standard Time.

Sincerely,
Anthony Salla
Customer Relations & Services
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:25 PM   #205
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NICE. That's the same letter those a$$holes sent me when I had this problem. Talk about planting the old noggin in the sand and hoping we'll all go away.
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:25 PM   #206
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reposnd and say we are suing and give them a link to this site.
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:33 PM   #207
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Guys why dont you all file a complain on Nation highway traffic site
there are already multiple complaints about this
With enough complains they will force BMW to initiate a recall if this is a safety issue. (which it is if it happens on a ramp at high speed)

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Old 10-19-2004, 05:36 PM   #208
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tell them it's not warrenty issue.. it's a god damn bmw manufacturing problem... they should recall ALL of them!!!!
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Old 10-19-2004, 07:25 PM   #209
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I filed a complaint, that form probably discourages most from doing it though. Several times I was about to give up, they dont even make it easy to find BMW listed on the pull down menu, they list the actual german name for BMW.....

If everyone complained this would get fixed
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Old 10-19-2004, 07:26 PM   #210
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Dag wonder if this is my problem with the noise im hearing.... I have to check mine too to be safe. This is the problem im having that I posted on this thread.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=200948
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I filed a complaint, that form probably discourages most from doing it though. Several times I was about to give up, they dont even make it easy to find BMW listed on the pull down menu, they list the actual german name for BMW.....

If everyone complained this would get fixed

u got a link to the forum to file a complaint?.. or did u call it in? got some kind of reference number we can refer to if we call?
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Old 10-19-2004, 10:02 PM   #213
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wow.. OK EVEYRONE!!!! start typing!!!! i'ma print this out and show the stealership as part as my arguement

wow check out case 9... bmwna paid for it!!!
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wow.. OK EVEYRONE!!!! start typing!!!! i'ma print this out and show the stealership as part as my arguement
Hooke’s Law…
F = K X
F is the force used to stretch a piece of material (metal), and X is the amount the solid stretches. This is the beginnings of elastic theory: a mathematical theory of how solid materials stretch when pulled in various ways.
Infinite Series and the Radius of Convergence. It's easy to guess that Hooke's law is just the first term in an infinite series:
F(X) = K1 X + K2 X2 + K3 X3 + ...
That is, when the material is stretched more and more the force will eventually no longer follow Hooke's law; these extra terms are supposed to be small corrections until the stretching forces are huge. This is the first step in the development of nonlinear elastic theory. What is the radius of convergence for nonlinear elastic theory? The radius of convergence of a series is the distance to the first singularity. In physical terms, we are asking how much we can stretch or compress a piece of material before something dramatic happens. One obvious choice for a dramatic event would be fracture. Stretch a material too far, and it will break in two. And that’s what’s happening with our subframes, they bend to far. Causing Fatigue. If we start with a cube of steel L x L x L in size, and stretch it by a fractional amount e = X/L, how much energy does it take? Clearly, it takes a certain amount of energy per unit volume to stretch the metal, so this energy must grow like L3. (If we limit ourselves to small strains e so we can use Hooke's law, the energy is Y e2 L3/2, where Y = K/L is Young's modulus, sort of the spring constant K for strain per unit volume.) If we break the cube in two, we have to cut all the chemical bonds on the fracture surface: since the broken bonds cover a L x L area, this energy will be some energy per unit area times L2. Because the area of broken bonds increases more slowly than the volume of the cube, no matter how small the strain e = X/L is, large enough cubes will prefer to break! If we plug in numbers for a typical material, it takes a few eV to break a bond, and a few eV per atom to stretch the material by a factor of two (X=L), so a one meter cube would prefer to break after being stretched about 0.002 centimeters. (In American units, a cubic foot stretched 0.0004 inches will have lower energy broken into two pieces.) The bigger the hunk, the smaller the percentage stretch before it prefers to break. (This does not mean that it will break! What can happen in principle often takes an amazingly long time to happen in practise.) This means, for our infinite hunk of steel, that as soon as we start stretching it, it can break. If we wait long enough, it will in principle break just from the vibrations of the atoms. The nearest singularity is at zero strain: elastic theory will have zero radius of convergence. We say that it is an asymptotic series.

If they built our cars with less flexing we would not have this problem.
Its a flaw in the subframe design and they need to do something about it.
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ok... anyone else in here from MD who has time this week to go?... i'ma print that website out as arguement
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ok... anyone else in here from MD who has time this week to go?... i'ma print that website out as arguement
I think we should mass mail BMWNA about this.
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Old 10-19-2004, 10:57 PM   #217
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here's a copy of the reply BMWNA has sent me!



Thank you for contacting BMW of North America, LLC regarding the
problems you are having with your BMW. We regret to learn of the issue you
are experiencing with your BMW. Please accept our apologies for the
inconvenience and the time you have spent dealing with this issue.

The actual longevity of any given part is dependent on a number of
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vehicle, items may have to be repaired or replaced due to mechanical
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Of course, this explanation does not
relieve the inconvenience or expense of dealing with problems when they
arise.

Your vehicle had warranty coverage for up to 4 years or 50,000 miles.
Unfortunately, your vehicle has well exceeded the warranty parameters.
Although we empathize with your situation, we are sorry to inform you
that BMW of North America, LLC, cannot offer you post-warranty
assistance.

We value our BMW customers and are sorry that we were unable to meet
your expectations. If you have any further questions, please respond to
this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at
1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M.,
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Sincerely,
Anthony Salla
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I say this is crap!!!!
I guess these cars are only good while under warranty. After that they're worthless.
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Old 10-20-2004, 09:44 PM   #218
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Bad enough that my subframing is tearing near the Spare Tire well, but i went under the car today to look for anything new, And found a new tearing going around the Big Mount to the subframe... Im so F*cked now i dont know what to think....
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Old 10-20-2004, 10:34 PM   #219
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everyone needs to start sending letters.

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Old 10-20-2004, 10:40 PM   #220
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I'm listening for every noise now, dammit, I just hope I don't get it.

Funny, I've owned a 83' Chevy Cavalier Station Wagon and 90' Geo Storm, all had well over 100k miles and driven HARD before I got rid of them, and never had structural problems, excessive suspension wear, or clutch wearing out early.

I'm starting to get worried now!
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