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Old 01-01-2006, 01:07 PM   #481
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I posted a while ago that my subframe actually tore from my subframe and after a few letters to BMW NA and calls that they agreed to fix the problem.

It's been 5 weeks and my car is suppose to be out of the shop this week. The body shop thought about reinforcing the mounts with the kit, but the damage was too extensive. They went ahead an replaced the entire rear cross member (a huge section of the rear that was shipped from Germany). I have a pic of the cross member section they removed from my car but I will have to dig it up. In total, they told me that this job is probably between $6000-$7000 to fix but they assured me that they car would handle much better.
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:14 PM   #482
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Wow, my thread got 25 pages and lived THIS long, this is nuts..
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:07 PM   #483
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Wow, my thread got 25 pages and lived THIS long, this is nuts..
yeah its because a lot of ppl have this problem and its a Great thread.
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:33 PM   #484
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I had it in my 1996 328i with 170,000 miles on the clock. I was able to repair it with a buddy and a blow tourch.

I beat the crap out of my M Roadster, not had a problem. I've also owned an E36 M3 for a year and never had a problem. What I've found out by reading is, its VERY common, but if you drive the car NORMALLY you should not have the problem. Of course none of us drives our cars NORMALLY, heck whats the point of driving "the ultimate driving machine" in a straight line anyhow? LOL

All I can say is, get the Turner Motorsport Brace and lower control arm limiters. The reason why it fails is constant twisting on the reletivly thin metal. The TMC upgrade welds on a few brackets which will substantially harden that entire assembly. Sadly, I bought the upgrade but waited too long to install it! I sold the car after it happened to me!
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Old 01-13-2006, 05:34 PM   #485
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1) 02bmw330ci - 2002 BMW 330Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (9/12/04) 77,000 Miles
2) Cuore_alfa - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Cabrio Sub Frame (whit less than 20k miles)
3) Atrytone - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame/Cracked 8/1/04 70,000Miles
4) Ps323ci - 2000 323ci - Sub Frame Damage (rear) - 23,000 Miles - 3/15/04
5) Mpower619 - 2000328Ci - Sub Frame Damage(left rear)-42,000 miles Oct/03
6) 3quarterI - 2001 BMW 325i - Sub Frame / Control Arm Bushing Tear - 57,000 miles
7) Tavy8010- 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame(Rear) / Diff. mounts torn - 70,000 miles (9/8/04)
8) bimmerchop - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts torn - 25,000 miles
9) M3wannaBEE - 2000 323Ci - SubFrame - 80,000 miles
10) SharifM3- 2002 M3- Subframe ripping out of trunk -30,000 miles
11) dinane46328i- 1999 328i -subframe damage- 59,000
12) hoodust - 2000 323ci - subframe damage (fixed :reinforced) - 80,000
13) BLKMJK - 1999 328i - Subframe tear drivers side - 50,000 miles
14) sycE46 - 2000 323ci - subframe started to crack. Fixed by BMW 40,000 miles
15) Demsuga - 1999 BMW 328 i- Sub Frame Damage(left rear) - 63,000 miles (9/10/04)
16) HamannGirLR714 - 2000 328ci -subframe torn from trunk 44,500 miles
17) Asmodeus - 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame Rear / Diff. mounts torn - 125,000 Km
18) ///M PWR 00 - 2003 BMW M3 Coupe - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears
19) Blazin e46 - 2000 323ci - subframe cracked - 51,000 miles (9/20/04)
20) Sir.B - 2000 328i - subframe cracked about a year ago ($600 fixed)
21) wolf328ci - 2000 328ci, Subframe torn in 2 points, 52,000 miles
22) kevmo - 1999 323i , subframe cracked 70 K
23) srcstc - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Left-rear SubFrame mount torn from trunk 08/03 55K miles, stock suspension!
24) Allen Yad - 1999 323i - subframe torn in both places, 42,000 miles
25) jtecnik- 2000 328ci - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts 77k miles
26) madmak - 1999 328i - 100,000km - both sides gaping tears - still on cpo warranty and dealer says "you should keep an eye on that!"
27) burrito007 - 323i 83000 mi subframe broke in 2003 trying to get dealer to fix but not looking promising
28) tommiexboi - 2000 328i - driver's side subframe ripping/tearing/cracking - 85,000 miles
29)yayopwr-1999 328i 95k miles- driver's side rear cracking....paying out of pocket in hopes that bmw will soon fess up and pay me back
30) ffabbroc - 2000 BMW 328Ci 50K chassis cracked at rear subframe mounts
31)Jetblast - 1999 328i - 100k drivers side rear subframe mount completely tore out
32)sbk25 - 1999 328i - 86k drivers side rear subframe mount tearing apart
33)sanjaypatelis - 2000 328i - 49k drivers/passenger side rear and differential mounts torn out/and almost torn out
34) Berserker - 2002 328i (April build) - Cracking has started on the drivers side - not a problem yet - but I am sure it will grow.
35) e46ryder-1999 323i 82k- Crackin tearing sticking out the drivers side passenger side no problem
36) blownZ71 - 2000 328Ci Subframe torn out left rear. Needs repair
37) rich323ci - 2000 323ci - 74,000 miles - Discovered cracks 2 weeks ago, waiting for dealer to inspect.
38) IslandE46 – 2000 323ci – 46,000 miles – Driver’s side rear torn out. Passenger side fine. Repaired myself with Turner Motorsports kit. 7/10/2005
39) r6tanz - 2000 328CI - 65K - driver's side subframe cracked - repaired 2 days ago and still in the shop 7/22/05
40) bimmer88 2000 328ci - 75k miles -driver's side torn out
41) als00328ci 2000 328ci - 64000 km's - drivers side ripped right out.
42) 00e46 2000 328i - 83k miles - Drivers side cracked and torn.
43) DRG 2001 330ci 53k miles SUBFRAME
44) Mtecknic330ci- 2001 330ci- Minnesota- 85k- rear left subframe
45) Rick Chamberlain - 2000 328ci - 78k - Body failure at left rear subframe mount point.
46) Trippinbillies4 - 2000 328Ci - 105k - Torn back driver's side
47) jtt777- 2000 328Ci - 70k - Torn back driver's side subframe
48) hhboy77 - 2000 323ci - 58K - what else...torn driver's side rear subframe mount
49) 2K323CI - 2000 323ci - 47000 miles Driver’s side rear torn out. Warranty expired by date not miles.
50) Kiapeyvan 2000 323Ci Cracked/torn subframe 84K, driver side.
51) norcal bmwboy - 2000 328ci - 59000 miles drivers side
52) Pizzaboy777 - 2000 323i - 77000 miles drivers side rear subframe mount
53) coreytrv - 2000 328 Ci - torn at 91,000
54) z00me - 2000 328Ci - at 120000km - subframe second time.This time BmW covers!
55) liminality - 2000 323i - 60,000 miles - torn and ripped back driver's side.



Will take to shop Monday and see if the cover it. CPO warranty expired 09/05

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Old 01-19-2006, 05:55 PM   #486
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1) 02bmw330ci - 2002 BMW 330Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (9/12/04) 77,000 Miles
2) Cuore_alfa - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Cabrio Sub Frame (whit less than 20k miles)
3) Atrytone - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame/Cracked 8/1/04 70,000Miles
4) Ps323ci - 2000 323ci - Sub Frame Damage (rear) - 23,000 Miles - 3/15/04
5) Mpower619 - 2000328Ci - Sub Frame Damage(left rear)-42,000 miles Oct/03
6) 3quarterI - 2001 BMW 325i - Sub Frame / Control Arm Bushing Tear - 57,000 miles
7) Tavy8010- 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame(Rear) / Diff. mounts torn - 70,000 miles (9/8/04)
8) bimmerchop - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts torn - 25,000 miles
9) M3wannaBEE - 2000 323Ci - SubFrame - 80,000 miles
10) SharifM3- 2002 M3- Subframe ripping out of trunk -30,000 miles
11) dinane46328i- 1999 328i -subframe damage- 59,000
12) hoodust - 2000 323ci - subframe damage (fixed :reinforced) - 80,000
13) BLKMJK - 1999 328i - Subframe tear drivers side - 50,000 miles
14) sycE46 - 2000 323ci - subframe started to crack. Fixed by BMW 40,000 miles
15) Demsuga - 1999 BMW 328 i- Sub Frame Damage(left rear) - 63,000 miles (9/10/04)
16) HamannGirLR714 - 2000 328ci -subframe torn from trunk 44,500 miles
17) Asmodeus - 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame Rear / Diff. mounts torn - 125,000 Km
18) ///M PWR 00 - 2003 BMW M3 Coupe - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears
19) Blazin e46 - 2000 323ci - subframe cracked - 51,000 miles (9/20/04)
20) Sir.B - 2000 328i - subframe cracked about a year ago ($600 fixed)
21) wolf328ci - 2000 328ci, Subframe torn in 2 points, 52,000 miles
22) kevmo - 1999 323i , subframe cracked 70 K
23) srcstc - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Left-rear SubFrame mount torn from trunk 08/03 55K miles, stock suspension!
24) Allen Yad - 1999 323i - subframe torn in both places, 42,000 miles
25) jtecnik- 2000 328ci - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts 77k miles
26) madmak - 1999 328i - 100,000km - both sides gaping tears - still on cpo warranty and dealer says "you should keep an eye on that!"
27) burrito007 - 323i 83000 mi subframe broke in 2003 trying to get dealer to fix but not looking promising
28) tommiexboi - 2000 328i - driver's side subframe ripping/tearing/cracking - 85,000 miles
29)yayopwr-1999 328i 95k miles- driver's side rear cracking....paying out of pocket in hopes that bmw will soon fess up and pay me back
30) ffabbroc - 2000 BMW 328Ci 50K chassis cracked at rear subframe mounts
31)Jetblast - 1999 328i - 100k drivers side rear subframe mount completely tore out
32)sbk25 - 1999 328i - 86k drivers side rear subframe mount tearing apart
33)sanjaypatelis - 2000 328i - 49k drivers/passenger side rear and differential mounts torn out/and almost torn out
34) Berserker - 2002 328i (April build) - Cracking has started on the drivers side - not a problem yet - but I am sure it will grow.
35) e46ryder-1999 323i 82k- Crackin tearing sticking out the drivers side passenger side no problem
36) blownZ71 - 2000 328Ci Subframe torn out left rear. Needs repair
37) rich323ci - 2000 323ci - 74,000 miles - Discovered cracks 2 weeks ago, waiting for dealer to inspect.
38) IslandE46 – 2000 323ci – 46,000 miles – Driver’s side rear torn out. Passenger side fine. Repaired myself with Turner Motorsports kit. 7/10/2005
39) r6tanz - 2000 328CI - 65K - driver's side subframe cracked - repaired 2 days ago and still in the shop 7/22/05
40) bimmer88 2000 328ci - 75k miles -driver's side torn out
41) als00328ci 2000 328ci - 64000 km's - drivers side ripped right out.
42) 00e46 2000 328i - 83k miles - Drivers side cracked and torn.
43) DRG 2001 330ci 53k miles SUBFRAME
44) Mtecknic330ci- 2001 330ci- Minnesota- 85k- rear left subframe
45) Rick Chamberlain - 2000 328ci - 78k - Body failure at left rear subframe mount point.
46) Trippinbillies4 - 2000 328Ci - 105k - Torn back driver's side
47) jtt777- 2000 328Ci - 70k - Torn back driver's side subframe
48) hhboy77 - 2000 323ci - 58K - what else...torn driver's side rear subframe mount
49) 2K323CI - 2000 323ci - 47000 miles Driver’s side rear torn out. Warranty expired by date not miles.
50) Kiapeyvan 2000 323Ci Cracked/torn subframe 84K, driver side.
51) norcal bmwboy - 2000 328ci - 59000 miles drivers side
52) Pizzaboy777 - 2000 323i - 77000 miles drivers side rear subframe mount
53) coreytrv - 2000 328 Ci - torn at 91,000
54) z00me - 2000 328Ci - at 120000km - subframe second time.This time BmW covers!
55) liminality - 2000 323i - 60,000 miles - torn and ripped back driver's side.
56) ed328ci - 2000 328Ci - 88,000 km (55K miles) - torn driver's side
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Old 01-19-2006, 07:41 PM   #487
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Mine is being fixed now. - replaced entire frame piece, Turner rear reinforcement kits (subframe mounts, rear shock towers, swaybars). I though about, but didn't go with solid subframe and diff bushings per Turner's recs since I still drive on the street.

1) 02bmw330ci - 2002 BMW 330Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (9/12/04) 77,000 Miles
2) Cuore_alfa - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Cabrio Sub Frame (whit less than 20k miles)
3) Atrytone - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame/Cracked 8/1/04 70,000Miles
4) Ps323ci - 2000 323ci - Sub Frame Damage (rear) - 23,000 Miles - 3/15/04
5) Mpower619 - 2000328Ci - Sub Frame Damage(left rear)-42,000 miles Oct/03
6) 3quarterI - 2001 BMW 325i - Sub Frame / Control Arm Bushing Tear - 57,000 miles
7) Tavy8010- 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame(Rear) / Diff. mounts torn - 70,000 miles (9/8/04)
8) bimmerchop - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts torn - 25,000 miles
9) M3wannaBEE - 2000 323Ci - SubFrame - 80,000 miles
10) SharifM3- 2002 M3- Subframe ripping out of trunk -30,000 miles
11) dinane46328i- 1999 328i -subframe damage- 59,000
12) hoodust - 2000 323ci - subframe damage (fixed :reinforced) - 80,000
13) BLKMJK - 1999 328i - Subframe tear drivers side - 50,000 miles
14) sycE46 - 2000 323ci - subframe started to crack. Fixed by BMW 40,000 miles
15) Demsuga - 1999 BMW 328 i- Sub Frame Damage(left rear) - 63,000 miles (9/10/04)
16) HamannGirLR714 - 2000 328ci -subframe torn from trunk 44,500 miles
17) Asmodeus - 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame Rear / Diff. mounts torn - 125,000 Km
18) ///M PWR 00 - 2003 BMW M3 Coupe - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears
19) Blazin e46 - 2000 323ci - subframe cracked - 51,000 miles (9/20/04)
20) Sir.B - 2000 328i - subframe cracked about a year ago ($600 fixed)
21) wolf328ci - 2000 328ci, Subframe torn in 2 points, 52,000 miles
22) kevmo - 1999 323i , subframe cracked 70 K
23) srcstc - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Left-rear SubFrame mount torn from trunk 08/03 55K miles, stock suspension!
24) Allen Yad - 1999 323i - subframe torn in both places, 42,000 miles
25) jtecnik- 2000 328ci - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts 77k miles
26) madmak - 1999 328i - 100,000km - both sides gaping tears - still on cpo warranty and dealer says "you should keep an eye on that!"
27) burrito007 - 323i 83000 mi subframe broke in 2003 trying to get dealer to fix but not looking promising
28) tommiexboi - 2000 328i - driver's side subframe ripping/tearing/cracking - 85,000 miles
29)yayopwr-1999 328i 95k miles- driver's side rear cracking....paying out of pocket in hopes that bmw will soon fess up and pay me back
30) ffabbroc - 2000 BMW 328Ci 50K chassis cracked at rear subframe mounts
31)Jetblast - 1999 328i - 100k drivers side rear subframe mount completely tore out
32)sbk25 - 1999 328i - 86k drivers side rear subframe mount tearing apart
33)sanjaypatelis - 2000 328i - 49k drivers/passenger side rear and differential mounts torn out/and almost torn out
34) Berserker - 2002 328i (April build) - Cracking has started on the drivers side - not a problem yet - but I am sure it will grow.
35) e46ryder-1999 323i 82k- Crackin tearing sticking out the drivers side passenger side no problem
36) blownZ71 - 2000 328Ci Subframe torn out left rear. Needs repair
37) rich323ci - 2000 323ci - 74,000 miles - Discovered cracks 2 weeks ago, waiting for dealer to inspect.
38) IslandE46 – 2000 323ci – 46,000 miles – Driver’s side rear torn out. Passenger side fine. Repaired myself with Turner Motorsports kit. 7/10/2005
39) r6tanz - 2000 328CI - 65K - driver's side subframe cracked - repaired 2 days ago and still in the shop 7/22/05
40) bimmer88 2000 328ci - 75k miles -driver's side torn out
41) als00328ci 2000 328ci - 64000 km's - drivers side ripped right out.
42) 00e46 2000 328i - 83k miles - Drivers side cracked and torn.
43) DRG 2001 330ci 53k miles SUBFRAME
44) Mtecknic330ci- 2001 330ci- Minnesota- 85k- rear left subframe
45) Rick Chamberlain - 2000 328ci - 78k - Body failure at left rear subframe mount point.
46) Trippinbillies4 - 2000 328Ci - 105k - Torn back driver's side
47) jtt777- 2000 328Ci - 70k - Torn back driver's side subframe
48) hhboy77 - 2000 323ci - 58K - what else...torn driver's side rear subframe mount
49) 2K323CI - 2000 323ci - 47000 miles Driver’s side rear torn out. Warranty expired by date not miles.
50) Kiapeyvan 2000 323Ci Cracked/torn subframe 84K, driver side.
51) norcal bmwboy - 2000 328ci - 59000 miles drivers side
52) Pizzaboy777 - 2000 323i - 77000 miles drivers side rear subframe mount
53) coreytrv - 2000 328 Ci - torn at 91,000
54) z00me - 2000 328Ci - at 120000km - subframe second time.This time BmW covers!
55) liminality - 2000 323i - 60,000 miles - torn and ripped back driver's side.
56) ed328ci - 2000 328Ci - 88,000 km (55K miles) - torn driver's side
57) bernstem - 2000 328i - 46,000 miles - drivers side torn
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And the list keeps on growing. Holy F*ck!
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And the list keeps on growing. Holy F*ck!
i think we need to file a class action for the recall , do you know a good lawyer on the forum , where d i contact, get me all the list of subframe problems on everyforum . if he gather everyone together then lets , make this happen. if we can get a couple hundred and a good lawyer. this does happen to the cheaper veichicals on the road. BMW is like the little child who doesnt want to own up to there mistakes, but this could kill somone. you can die if this cracks while on highway at highway speeds. we need a lawyer with a 3 series and some self interest. im not joking
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wow thats probaly why my gfs car drives like ****, this might explain it
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Old 01-27-2006, 11:36 PM   #491
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i think we need to file a class action for the recall , do you know a good lawyer on the forum , where d i contact, get me all the list of subframe problems on everyforum . if he gather everyone together then lets , make this happen. if we can get a couple hundred and a good lawyer. this does happen to the cheaper veichicals on the road. BMW is like the little child who doesnt want to own up to there mistakes, but this could kill somone. you can die if this cracks while on highway at highway speeds. we need a lawyer with a 3 series and some self interest. im not joking
Why waste money on a Lawyer, the Lawyer will be the winner no matter who
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Best way is someone set up a web site, and everyone with the problem
submit their pictures and claims or correspondance with/to BMW. Then
we all do Google searches to raise the sites ratings until BWM freak........
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I'm not affected (yet?!) but I'm appalled by BMW's refusal to accept responsibility. I've read similar complaints about the Z8 and it's getting attention and being fixed because of a class action suit. Why! Why would a company alienate it's bread & butter customers. The 3 is supposed to be the entry to the brand. We're all supposed to buy 5's, 6's and 7's next. Why would we?!

The painful and arrogant sales experience many members of this forum have complained about, coupled with the same quality service most have suffered, makes wonder why we're here and not on the Porsche forums.

I've signed a few of these petitions in support of those affected but also in protest of the poor, negligent and short sighted business practices of BMW.
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Interesting thread. My '99 328 doesn't show signs of damage yet. I am curious, and forgive me for not reading all 25 pages here, but what do auto insurance companies say when shown photos of the extensive damage I've seen? I would think comprehensive insurance would cover this minus the deductable. I bet if our auto insurance companies ganged up on BMW, things would happen much quicker. Get one bureaucracy fighting another.
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So from what I can infer from the list, post 03' E46 subframes are not effected, at least not yet. Is this a correct assumption or have I missed any post '03 victims?
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I would think comprehensive insurance would cover this minus the deductable.

I was thinking this myself....


has anyone of you that had this problem thought about taking it to insurance?
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I was thinking this myself....


has anyone of you that had this problem thought about taking it to insurance?
I don't think they will, not for this. Unless you say you hit a big pothole to help your claim as a road hazard.
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Which dealer did you take your subframe crack issue to?

I don't want them to give me a wierd look if I'm the first one at their dealership to encounter this problem.

I'm thinking about Allison, BMW of Fremont, or East Bay BMW.
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