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Old 05-12-2005, 09:08 AM   #1
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So many polishes to choose from...

My friend and I are doing a full detailing session this weekend. My paint is literally a month old so it's in near mint condition and also probably a little soft still so I'm going to use something mild like Meguiars SMR.

My friend's car, on the other hand, hasn't be detailed since they day he bought it. He lives in NH and the weather is pretty abusive. His car is scratched and swirled beyond belief. I have a bottle of Meguiars DACP and a bottle of 3M Finesse-It II. I know the 3M polish is more of a cleaner polish and the DACP is more of a meat and potatos polish.. but I know they're both fairly potent.

Naturally whatever we choose will follow a full clay-ing and then be followed up by the Klasse twins and P21S paste.

Which would be the best for restoring his finish? You can see how dull it is below..

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Old 05-12-2005, 10:31 AM   #2
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I would use Mazerna Power Gloss, and then their Finishing Polish:
http://www.properautocare.com/mengerbespol.html
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Old 05-12-2005, 10:53 AM   #3
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You're gonna have to use the DACP and probably a orange or Yellow cutting pad on the A4....Audi Clear SUCKS and is rock hard hence difficult to repair....definitely a test of patience. BMW clear isn't much better...but Audi Clear is some of the most difficult that I've worked with...and alot of my clients are Audi Club members.

Pics of my car post polish after a hard ohio winter this year...120K miles and counting.

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Old 05-12-2005, 11:01 AM   #4
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You're gonna have to use the DACP and probably a orange or Yellow cutting pad on the A4....Audi Clear SUCKS and is rock hard hence difficult to repair....definitely a test of patience. BMW clear isn't much better...but Audi Clear is some of the most difficult that I've worked with...and alot of my clients are Audi Club members.
Looks great. That's what I'm going for. DACP it is. I ruined my cutting pad polishing a friend's exhaust tips so I gotta pick up another one this evening.
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I went pretty deep with the DACP to get some of the defects out of my car when I first bought it used and got some hazing and had to finish up with with Menzerna Final Polish to get the Haze out...so just be sure to look at the car in direct sunlight or under 1000 W halogens to make sure you don't have any Hazing...it's likely to happen with DACP and a cutting pad.

If you're in the market for new polishes...Poorboys products are great. I'm a recent convert to the poorboys line of polishes and the SSR2.5 and SSR1 are some of the best I've used to date.

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Old 05-12-2005, 11:12 AM   #6
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I went pretty deep with the DACP to get some of the defects out of my car when I first bought it used and got some hazing and had to finish up with with Menzerna Final Polish to get the Haze out...so just be sure to look at the car in direct sunlight or under 1000 W halogens to make sure you don't have any Hazing...it's likely to happen with DACP and a cutting pad.
Crap, I was afraid of that. Ugh.

Thanks for the tip.
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Ok, so my cutting pad is chewed up. I stopped by the local auto body supply store this morning and they don't have anything that will work with my orbital.

I know I won't achieve the same results, but would I at least see some progress with DACP on a polishing pad at a slightly higher speed... say 3500 rpm-ish?

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It might take a couple extra passes & pressure with the polishing pad....but you should be able to get close to the same results.

What kind of machine are you using? the PC is measured in Orbits per minute not sure if this is what you're speaking of or not...I use a rotary for most of my heavy duty worknow but I used to do all of my swirl removal with the PC on 5 and 6 (5000-6000 orbits) per minute depending on how bad the surface is.

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It might take a couple extra passes & pressure with the polishing pad....but you should be able to get close to the same results.

What kind of machine are you using? the PC is measured in Orbits per minute not sure if this is what you're speaking of or not...I use a rotary for most of my heavy duty worknow but I used to do all of my swirl removal with the PC on 5 and 6 (5000-6000 orbits) per minute depending on how bad the surface is.

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Yeah, I use a PC orbital. I thought it was measured in RPM.

Okay, thanks for the tip on the setting. Not sure I trust myself with a rotary as I have no experience with it.
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Took me awhile to get used to a rotary...probably 3 months of use before I used it on any client cars anyhow...even then I still had to go back and clean things up with the PC every now and then.

Crank that bad boy (PC) up to 5 or 6 and go to town...you should be good. You might even be fortunate enough if you work the DACP long enough with a polishing pad that you "might" not have to use a final polish...on black I wouldn't count on it though. (sorry)

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You might even be fortunate enough if you work the DACP long enough with a polishing pad that you "might" not have to use a final polish...on black I wouldn't count on it though. (sorry)
Yeah, I'm counting on a long day ahead of me.

All I've got for a final polish right now is Meguiars SMR. Think that will do the job? I know you recommended Menzerna and Poorboys, but I don't think my local shops carry those brands.
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I like the Poorboys World Super Swirl Removers http://secure.detailedimage.com/Merc...ry_Code=Polish, if that Audi is as bad as you say it is the SSR 3 or 2.5 should be appropriate. I use them regularly to get large amounts of scratches and swirls out and I'm always impressed with the results. It works great with the PC too. I also really like Menzerna's http://www.detailedimage.com/index.html line, works great and leaves an awesome finish to the paint. I live in NY as well and I know what the winters here can do to a nice car. Good luck.
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I'm going to apply Klasse AIO and SG by hand after polishing with the DACP, but should I give him a final polish with the PC to further help fend off haze?

I currently have 3m Finesse It or Meguiars SMR. Would either of those do combined with the hand application of AIO, or do I need something else?
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:04 PM   #14
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Well, mission accomplished. It was a grueling 2 days (yes, you heard me -- that audi was bad!) but we managed to restore my friend's car to perfect condition. Only a few really deep scratches remain and they're very hard to see. I'm surprised it came out so well.

Unfortunatly, I didn't get any good pictures. I thought they would turn out nice, but they didn't. I will, however, share what I have.

Thanks for the advice everyone.
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SteelBlue-- Question for you. What did you end up topping the Audi with after the Klasse twins? I really like Klasse for longevity but I'm not a big fan of the hazy/sterile look on my black touring. I have yet to put a paste wax over Klasse because it just seemed counter-productive. Great job on both cars by the way--you ressurected that Audi from the dead!!
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It might take a couple extra passes & pressure with the polishing pad....but you should be able to get close to the same results.

What kind of machine are you using? the PC is measured in Orbits per minute not sure if this is what you're speaking of or not...I use a rotary for most of my heavy duty worknow but I used to do all of my swirl removal with the PC on 5 and 6 (5000-6000 orbits) per minute depending on how bad the surface is.

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I also find keeping the cut pat slightly moist (maybe a spray or 2 with a trigger spray bottle) and spraying the surface of the paint with the compound on it helps reduce the hazing after numerous passes. However, I'm not sure if this works well with the chemicals mentioned as some compounds/polishes to not work well moistened. I use Farecla G3, and G10. And I use the Makita 9227c variable hi-speed at about 1000-1500rpm for the G3, and 2000 for the G10 - slight pressure.

I know my .02 is a little late but for future use and reference.
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SteelBlue-- Question for you. What did you end up topping the Audi with after the Klasse twins? I really like Klasse for longevity but I'm not a big fan of the hazy/sterile look on my black touring. I have yet to put a paste wax over Klasse because it just seemed counter-productive. Great job on both cars by the way--you ressurected that Audi from the dead!!
Right now there is nothing on it. Once it's had time to dry, however, my friend will use the same thing I use.... P21S paste wax. As long as it's not a cleaner wax you can use a paste wax on top of Klasse without any worries. Once you top it though, you can't put anymore coats of Klasse on. It won't stick to wax.
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Great job on both cars! I love the p21s on top of the Klasse Twins, it gives you great results everytime.
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Great job on both cars! I love the p21s on top of the Klasse Twins, it gives you great results everytime.
Thanks!

My friend uploaded the pictures he took and they came out far better then mine. Here's some for everyone to enjoy...


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Here's another before pic of the Audi.. believe it or not in this picture the car had just been washed.

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