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Old 10-12-2005, 04:21 PM   #241
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First I want to say you are by far the best member on any forum to reply to a question. Ive seen EVERY question replyed to with great detail! Thanks! Now onto my question. In 99 I think BMW started using a different based wax starting on the Z3. Well Zymol came out with a wax for this kind of paint. Its called Zymol Z3 Wax. What do you think about it? Im sure youve never tried it but what are your impressions? Should I give it a go or stick with something else?
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The Zymol waxes are very nice carnauba toppers for shows, events, etc. However they generally will not provide long lasting protection for your paint. Personally, I don't see how they can make a wax specific for a vehicles paint, there is not that much differentiation in the paint to make that big of a difference. I think any solid carnauba topper such as P21s or Natty's will get the job done aa a cheaper alternative. The depth and gloss from the paint generally comes from the paint prep (wash/clay/polish process) and your results from waxing are directly related to how well you prep the paint.

I don't think it would be a bad investment to get the Zymol but don't know how much better, if any, it would be from something like P21s.

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Old 10-12-2005, 04:39 PM   #242
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i have a question regarding polished lips and keeping them clean.......i normally just wipe it down with a wet towel.....but i'm thinking of buying some cleaner to use....any recommendations???? also, that area where the lip and the actually spoke meets is hard to reach.....and the dirt cakes up in there.....any way to get to that?? maybe a brush or something??? any help would be greatly appreciated

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There are different products for different types of wheels. Some wheels have a clear coat over the polished lip and you'd tackle that differently than a polished lip without a clear coat.

In general, P21s Finish Restorer works well at removing some oxidation and minor imperfections.

As for the the area that the spoke meets the lip, you can use a brush but if its not super soft, you chance causing a lot of scratches in that area. I'd suggest trying you best with a super soft microfiber towel first.

The best thing I can suggest is to give it a real thorough cleaning, then seal the entire wheel with a product like Poorboy's Wheel Sealant. This will help prevent brake dust, contamination and other grime from sticking to the wheels in those hard to reach areas.

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Old 10-12-2005, 04:41 PM   #243
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Thank you very much George... you're so fast to reply to everyone and anyone's questions and I've never heard anything but positive comments made about you & your company... it's really good to see a company today that takes the time for real customer service and who's willing to help someone out with a little bit of advice for nothing... keep it up and you'll have customers for life!! I'll be in touch soon for the "big leagues" kit
Thanks for the positive feedback. I think the best thing about using the over the counter products first is you can appreciate the difference in the "better" products. Generally what you'll notice with the better products are: Ease of application, easier removal, longer durability, enhanced gloss / depth / shine, increased smoothness of the paint.

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Old 10-12-2005, 05:09 PM   #244
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Roger,

There are different products for different types of wheels. Some wheels have a clear coat over the polished lip and you'd tackle that differently than a polished lip without a clear coat.

In general, P21s Finish Restorer works well at removing some oxidation and minor imperfections.

As for the the area that the spoke meets the lip, you can use a brush but if its not super soft, you chance causing a lot of scratches in that area. I'd suggest trying you best with a super soft microfiber towel first.

The best thing I can suggest is to give it a real thorough cleaning, then seal the entire wheel with a product like Poorboy's Wheel Sealant. This will help prevent brake dust, contamination and other grime from sticking to the wheels in those hard to reach areas.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask!

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thanks for you help....i already put one coat of your poorbooy wheel sealant on....i may have to go for a second.......do you know if dpe's come with clearcoated lips or not???? is it ok to use a camelhair brush in the corner??? thanks again

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Old 10-12-2005, 05:18 PM   #245
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thanks for you help....i already put one coat of your poorbooy wheel sealant on....i may have to go for a second.......do you know if dpe's come with clearcoated lips or not???? is it ok to use a camelhair brush in the corner??? thanks again

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Without seeing the wheels in person I don't know... Best thing I can suggest try a small section with the brush to see if it causes any scratching, make sure you get to look at that area under various lighting (flourescent works best) to make sure it did or didn't scratch.

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Old 10-13-2005, 12:09 PM   #246
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what do you suggest using to clean the wheel wells? thanks
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Hello DetailedImage,

Thanks for all this useful info. What is the best thing to do in between washings/detailings to keep the car looking shiny (say every 2 days)? Should I just rinse the car down, dry it and then use a quick detailer spray? or can I just use a quick detailer without rinsing it down first? just really confused about what to do in between washings/detailings... Thanks in advance. (Btw, i don't have easy access to a hose or water source except a bucket.)

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hey trojohn23, I don't know if George and Greg have any special tips for you but the way I keep the car fairly clean in between washes and detailings is just using some Meguiar's Quik Detailer, really soaking the area that's dirty and wiping it down with a microfiber towel.

By dirty I mean just like dust or small amounts of dirt. Don't go trying this on a giant glob of mud or something, I'll leave that to the wash. lol.

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Poorboy's Polish...doesn't require too much water if any water at all. Just gotta do it every day or every other day...after that there will be too much dirt and dust particles that it'll ruin the paint
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:03 AM   #251
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I always recommend a wash with two buckets, conditioning shampoo and hosing it off when you're done. If you don't have access to a hose then I would recommend a quick detailer like Kpeng suggested. I use the Poorboy's World Spray and Wipe. The key to using them safely is to use a clean microfiber and already have a good coat of wax/sealant on the paint. Again like Kpeng said if its really dirty you can't use a quick detailer. I usually fold the microfiber towel in fourths wipe once or twice with that side and then flip it over to a fresh side. This minimizes the chance that any heavy debris in the towel will create a micro scratch in the clear coat. After I have used a quick detailer or just washed my car I really like to use the Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield. It leaves an amazing shine that I have never seen rivaled by any other spray on product, especially one that actually delivers protection as well. The Menzerna HGAC is basically a spray on version of the FMJ that just sprays on and is wiped off with a microfiber towel. It looks like you just spent hours detailing the car after you use it. Let me know if you need any more recommendations or if you have any more questions.

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hey trojohn23, I don't know if George and Greg have any special tips for you but the way I keep the car fairly clean in between washes and detailings is just using some Meguiar's Quik Detailer, really soaking the area that's dirty and wiping it down with a microfiber towel.

By dirty I mean just like dust or small amounts of dirt. Don't go trying this on a giant glob of mud or something, I'll leave that to the wash. lol.

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I usually spray down my wheel wells with the Bug Squash and wipe them down with an old rag or a brush. I never use any good brush or towel on those areas because they can be really dirty. I recommend dedicating a sponge, brush or towel just for those areas.

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Thanks Kpeng, CGRIZZ516 and Gregs for the help. So in summary the keypoints/steps in keeping shiny car in between washings/detailings are:

1. For cars already with a wax/sealant, use
2. Quick detailer/Megs or Poorboy's
3. Using clean microfiber
4. After quick detailer, use Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield (using a different microfiber than the one used in step 3?, or is using the same one ok?)

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I always recommend a wash with two buckets, conditioning shampoo and hosing it off when you're done. If you don't have access to a hose then I would recommend a quick detailer like Kpeng suggested. I use the Poorboy's World Spray and Wipe. The key to using them safely is to use a clean microfiber and already have a good coat of wax/sealant on the paint. Again like Kpeng said if its really dirty you can't use a quick detailer. I usually fold the microfiber towel in fourths wipe once or twice with that side and then flip it over to a fresh side. This minimizes the chance that any heavy debris in the towel will create a micro scratch in the clear coat. After I have used a quick detailer or just washed my car I really like to use the Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield. It leaves an amazing shine that I have never seen rivaled by any other spray on product, especially one that actually delivers protection as well. The Menzerna HGAC is basically a spray on version of the FMJ that just sprays on and is wiped off with a microfiber towel. It looks like you just spent hours detailing the car after you use it. Let me know if you need any more recommendations or if you have any more questions.

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I'd suggest a seperate microfiber towel. The cleaning characteristics in some Quick Detailers may deteriorate from the protection and shine you'll get by adding the HGAS, other than that, you got the process down.

It has to be very lightly dusted though to benefit from not washing otherwise it can cause minor swirls.

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Thanks Kpeng, CGRIZZ516 and Gregs for the help. So in summary the keypoints/steps in keeping shiny car in between washings/detailings are:

1. For cars already with a wax/sealant, use
2. Quick detailer/Megs or Poorboy's
3. Using clean microfiber
4. After quick detailer, use Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield (using a different microfiber than the one used in step 3?, or is using the same one ok?)

Thanks everyone.
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Ok i just got my order of Klasse AIO, and with the microfiber applicator and rag. My question is, is this good enough to use on a black car. The car is in pretty good condition, some minor swirls and scratches but nothing really bad. Can i just use the Klasse AIO or do i need to apply something after this. Please let me know as i would like to get my dads 530 done this weekend, and im eager to use the Klasse AIO. And do you recommend doing it by hand with the applicator or one of those less powerful buffers. I forget what it is.
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My question is, is this good enough to use on a black car. The car is in pretty good condition, some minor swirls and scratches but nothing really bad. Can i just use the Klasse AIO or do i need to apply something after this. Please let me know as i would like to get my dads 530 done this weekend, and im eager to use the Klasse AIO. And do you recommend doing it by hand with the applicator or one of those less powerful buffers. I forget what it is.
The only downfall of AIO is it won't eliminate swirls, it will brighten the paint, and provide an amazing protection, but since it doesn't have abrasives in the the polish, it will not get rid of swirls. It may help hide them but that's about all... If anything you would want to apply a light or medium abrasive such as SSR 2 to remove some of the swirls you mention. On new cars with little to no imperfections AIO is a perfect choice for doing 1 step.

Doing AIO by hand is perfectly fine it still works great. Buffer will help apply it more evenly and may help eliminate some more of the minor imperfections.

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Wow, thanks for the quick response. I just ordered the SSR2 as well. My question is, do i apply this by hand or is the orbital buffer ok. I use the ssr2 first and then the Klasse AIO correct???
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Wow, thanks for the quick response. I just ordered the SSR2 as well. My question is, do i apply this by hand or is the orbital buffer ok. I use the ssr2 first and then the Klasse AIO correct???
This can be done either by hand or by buffer, when removing imperfections though generally a buffer will produce more heat and yield better results.

AIO goes on right over the SSR 2, you are correct.

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Ok last question. Since i would be using the buffer, i dont want to end up using the whole bottle on one car, how much do i put on the applicator pad and how much should i use for the car, i dont want to over use it, but i want to make sure that im using enough to help the car. Thanks again!!
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Ok last question. Since i would be using the buffer, i dont want to end up using the whole bottle on one car, how much do i put on the applicator pad and how much should i use for the car, i dont want to over use it, but i want to make sure that im using enough to help the car. Thanks again!!
I usually make an X or a ring of polish around the pad for a 2' x 2' section. When using an abrasive polish you want to make sure you have enough product on there to get the job done, continue to work it in until the polish is filmy and barely visable.

The AIO on the other hand, use the less is more theory. Apply just enough to cover the surface with a thin coat, we usually use around 1oz / average sized car.

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