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Old 12-28-2006, 06:08 PM   #1301
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Here is a How To for polishing by hand that should help clarify things. Its hard to quantify how much polish is needed but typically a quarter sized drop for a 2x2 area is about right. If the pad is brand new you might need a little extra. You want enough to cover the area, but not too much so your wasting product. I recommend smearing the product in over the 2x2 area to evenly distribute it and then buff it in. However you have to be careful that the product doesn't dry out and become too difficult to work with. You can remove it right away or after you do the whole vehicle, no cure time is needed. I typically will remove a polish right away but it may vary by each product.

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Greg, just PMed you for tips and recommendation.
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Old 12-29-2006, 11:25 AM   #1303
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Thanks for the PM, I sent a reply. Let me know if you have any questions.

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Old 01-01-2007, 02:58 PM   #1304
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Is there a point to PC the bumpers because they are plastic?
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Old 01-01-2007, 05:04 PM   #1305
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If the surface is just plastic I typically don't buff it. If its painted and clear coated then yes I would use the PC on it.

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Old 01-03-2007, 01:43 PM   #1306
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Hi Greg. Can you tell me which wax pads (applicators) would be best to use to remove very very fine swirls (or just fine lines. not necessararly,(sp), swirls) that you can basically only see under gas station lights for example or certain angles?

Hopefully it's not a dumb question. I think i've read that different colored applicators are for different things right?

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Edit: By the way i meant by hand not with buffers if that matters.
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Ideally by hand, I would tackle the situation using Lake Countries Hand Applicator Kit, which gives you the flexibility of choosing the proper pad for the situation. I would suggest starting with the Black Pad and if that doesn't do the trick move up to the White Pad. The Yellow Pad is going to be a cutting pad for more severe cases and the Blue Pad would be used for applying waxes or sealants since its the softest.

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Hi Greg. Can you tell me which wax pads (applicators) would be best to use to remove very very fine swirls (or just fine lines. not necessararly,(sp), swirls) that you can basically only see under gas station lights for example or certain angles?

Hopefully it's not a dumb question. I think i've read that different colored applicators are for different things right?

Thanks for any help.

Edit: By the way i meant by hand not with buffers if that matters.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:09 AM   #1308
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george, i buffed my parents x5 using PC and SSR2.5 and 1.0, I assumed that the polish was trim safe but it turns out it isnt. Now i have a white stain on the trim pieces. i tried quick detailer on a MF towel but i start to rub off the black on teh trim and when it dries it still has white stains. Any help? maybe use the product 'back to black'?
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try isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) + distilled water...diluted 50:50,
and http://autogeek.net/forblacbumtr.html

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Geroge i'm considering getting a new car and i've been looking into getting a black car.

What preventative measures can I take to avoid swirl marks? Can you recommend some products for routine exterior car?

I wax every 2-3 months, i've never clayed. What washing mits/drying cloths do you reccomend? I'v used the absorber and similar products before.

I'm looking to buy products for weekly washing, i'd like to get something very nice so I can avoid swirl marks. Please reccomend some products for washing, drying, and some sort of post-washing treatment. Thanks!
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:13 PM   #1311
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Ideally by hand, I would tackle the situation using Lake Countries Hand Applicator Kit, which gives you the flexibility of choosing the proper pad for the situation. I would suggest starting with the Black Pad and if that doesn't do the trick move up to the White Pad. The Yellow Pad is going to be a cutting pad for more severe cases and the Blue Pad would be used for applying waxes or sealants since its the softest.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

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Thanks for the response. So let me just make sure i got it right:

For very fine lines only seen under certain lights and certian angles i would use the Black Pad. If that isn't abrasive enough then use the White Pad? Then after that should i then finish it off with the Blue pad or is it not needed?

By the way i will be using Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax or should i use a scratch remover first then go back over with the wax.

I figure the NXT tech wax is ok because i would be doing the entire car not one specific scratch.

Let me ask this as well. If i one day end up with a severe scratch and end up having to use the Yellow pad do you suggest i then go in sequence with the white then black all the way down to the blue finishing pad?

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do i need to clay?

I've just ordered a p c 7424 and am going to try and get rid of all the swirl marks on my car. I was going to use poorboys ssr 2.5 then 1. Do i need to use a clay bar first?
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I've just ordered a p c 7424 and am going to try and get rid of all the swirl marks on my car. I was going to use poorboys ssr 2.5 then 1. Do i need to use a clay bar first?
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Greg, would it be worthwhile to wash, clay, wash, wax?

I'm not familiar with sealants and glazes and my car is literally brand new, would I be able to get by for the winter (2-3 mo.) with a simple clay and wax?
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Greg, would it be worthwhile to wash, clay, wash, wax?
I'm not familiar with sealants and glazes and my car is literally brand new, would I be able to get by for the winter (2-3 mo.) with a simple clay and wax?
assuming you're not polishing, put sealant (which gives most protection) between clay and wax.
Wax alone will not give 3 month protection, especially during winter. Slight water beeding might be present, but most protection will be gone.
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I've just ordered a p c 7424 and am going to try and get rid of all the swirl marks on my car. I was going to use poorboys ssr 2.5 then 1. Do i need to use a clay bar first?
yes, clay then polish.
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george, i buffed my parents x5 using PC and SSR2.5 and 1.0, I assumed that the polish was trim safe but it turns out it isnt. Now i have a white stain on the trim pieces. i tried quick detailer on a MF towel but i start to rub off the black on teh trim and when it dries it still has white stains. Any help? maybe use the product 'back to black'?
Musali,

Unfortunately, there aren't many polishes, especially abrasive ones, that are safe on any trim. First step I would take is to use a 50/50 mix of isopropyl alcohol and water. If that doesn't do the trick, my favorite product for restoring trim is Leatherique Rubber Black. Many professional details use the rubber black with great success and like its durability and true matte finish over other competing products. This is a more permanent solution over time and multiple applications since it is a dye.

Here's a pic of what the rubber black ends up looking like:



Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with.

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Geroge i'm considering getting a new car and i've been looking into getting a black car.

What preventative measures can I take to avoid swirl marks? Can you recommend some products for routine exterior car?

I wax every 2-3 months, i've never clayed. What washing mits/drying cloths do you reccomend? I'v used the absorber and similar products before.

I'm looking to buy products for weekly washing, i'd like to get something very nice so I can avoid swirl marks. Please reccomend some products for washing, drying, and some sort of post-washing treatment. Thanks!
Great questions.

Congrats on purchasing a brand new car and wanting to take care of it correctly from day one.

First thing I would do is invest in a quality wash kit. I would suggest purchasing a Sheepskin Wash Mitt, a couple of Waffle Weave Drying towels, and a good lubricating shampoo that will not strip off previous coats of wax or sealant. The Sheepskin Wash Mitt is the safest you can use on any paint, especially on black, which shows imperfections the most of any color. Waffle Weave drying towels will absorb water quickly and easily for drying and are safe for your paint. As far as a shampoo, I like Poorboy's Super Slick and Suds. We have a package with all of those products put together here in Wash Kit #7. Here are direct links to the Sheepskin Wash Mitt and Waffle Weave Drying Towels if you would like to stock up on them.

As far as protecting your vehicle, I would suggest looking into a sealant to give you underlying protection which will last longer than a traditional wax. With your waxing schedule, you may have a lapse of protection since traditional waxes will yield anywhere from 3 - 8 weeks of protection. A quality sealant will give you 4 - 6 months of protection. My personal favorite is Menzerna Full Molecular Jacket because of its extreme ease of use, excellent durability and beautiful deep shine. With the FMJ as you're underlying protection that we suggest applying seasonally or every 4 months or so, you can still apply the wax of your choice on top to gain even more depth and gloss. Another good option instead of the wax for a quick boost of protection and depth and gloss would be to use Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield, which is chemically designed to optimize the FMJ. The High Gloss Acrylic Shield is essentially a liquified version of Menzerna FMJ that will help boost depth and gloss, surface slickness and add additional protection for a shorter period of time. These two products work great with each other and provide an outstanding look.

This of course is just one option, I can certainly mention some other alternatives as well but I think you will be extremely pleased with the results from that group of products.

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I'm not familiar with sealants and glazes and my car is literally brand new, would I be able to get by for the winter (2-3 mo.) with a simple clay and wax?
You would benefit from claying a new vehicle but it is not absolutely necessary. Typically new cars pick up some contamination, rail dust , etc. during transport of the new vehicle. By claying your vehicle, you will provide the freshest surface possible, which will also help maximize the durability of the sealant or wax you choose to go with. I personally like the ClearKote 200g Clay Kit. It's a fine grade clay bar and is large enough to cut up into 4 - 5 pieces for different uses.

The glaze would help hide imperfections that are in your clear coat, but if the vehicle was properly prepped and was not delivered to you with imperfections in the paint, this step would almost be pointless at this time.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions, I know this is a lot to digest.

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Thanks for the response. So let me just make sure i got it right:

For very fine lines only seen under certain lights and certian angles i would use the Black Pad. If that isn't abrasive enough then use the White Pad?
This is correct, you would be using a light polish for this application.

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Then after that should i then finish it off with the Blue pad or is it not needed?
Correct you would apply your choice of sealant or wax with the blue pad.

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By the way i will be using Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax or should i use a scratch remover first then go back over with the wax.
This product is fine for protecting the paint with the blue pad, however it will not do anything as far as permanently removing the lines, it may just hide them. You would want to purchase a light polish (if you are going locally try 3M Swirl Mark Remover) or something like Menzerna Final Polish II or Poorboy's SSR1.

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Let me ask this as well. If i one day end up with a severe scratch and end up having to use the Yellow pad do you suggest i then go in sequence with the white then black all the way down to the blue finishing pad?

Sorry for all the questions.
This is correct, you can probably get away with Yellow -> White -> Blue though for normal needs. If you went VERY aggressive on a neglected vehicle then you may want to use all 4 pads with different level abrasives for each of the 3 polishing steps.

Don't be sorry about the questions, we are here to help!

Let me know if this covers everything.

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I've just ordered a p c 7424 and am going to try and get rid of all the swirl marks on my car. I was going to use poorboys ssr 2.5 then 1. Do i need to use a clay bar first?
For optimal results, claying your vehicle would be beneficial. This will prep the surface ideally and let the polishes work on the clear coat, rather than on top of contamination. I would suggest doing it if you are looking to rid the maximum amount of swirls on your paint. I like the ClearKote Clay Kits due to their ease of use and the large 200g bars. The Quick Shine detailer is a nice product as well.

Good luck and be sure to post up your results.

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