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Old 07-29-2015, 11:39 AM   #1
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Camera Body Dilemma

So I currently have a Canon 40D. It was excellent back in 2007 when it was new but it simply can't even hold a candle to the modern Rebel line. The low light performance is sh1t (can't go above ISO400 without noise), the resolution is not so great mostly because of the previous issue, and the AF system is dated at best. As such, I really want to upgrade it.

Now my dilemma. I want to go full frame. Canon has been rumored to be releasing a new 6Dmk2 in the next 6ish months but that is just a rumor with nothing more to be said about it. However, the deals on the current 6D new as well as the current 5D3 used/refurb are stellar. So do I wait and struggle through the 40D to get the 6D2 in the future or get a steal on a current gen body? Remember that the 6D is two years old already and the 5D3 is older still.

Now the curve ball.

Canon has been making subpar bodies for a long time in comparison to the Nikon offerings. What are your thoughts on selling all Canon and moving to all Nikon?

I have the following lenses:
Canon 24-105L
Canon 50 1.4
Canon 70-200 2.8L (considering selling this since I don't really use it all that much, I'm hesitant because I love this lens)
want to buy a 17-40L soon.

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Old 07-29-2015, 01:09 PM   #2
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I would disagree that Canon makes sub par bodies.

I can not imagine any professional photographer at a NFL game or whatever buying $50k worth of Canon to make their living if it was sub par.

What about something like the 70D? $750 with a lens and printer you could sell for $350 making your net a whopping $400 to get you by? A huge upgrade for now then upgrade again with FF is cheaper.(adorama)

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Old 07-29-2015, 01:32 PM   #3
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^ Canon bodies have very sub par dynamic range at normal and high light levels when compared to Sony or Nikon bodies. Mostly because of the Sony sensor used in both. Canons are definitely good for low light and in terms of build quality.

That said, I don't HAVE to buy anything right now. If the advice is to wait for the 6D2, I'd just as much save my $400 and buy that when it drops. I don't do this for a living so it's not a huge deal what I do. I'd just like to have a body that competes in this decade.

Where can one sell the printer for $350?
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I switched to Nikon (Df) and couldn't be happier. Absolutely stunning low light performance, and dynamic range I could never get with my 5D3 or 1DmkIV. The AF is nothing to write home about, but I don't shoot sports any more, so for what I shoot it's fine.

That being said, the 6D has a pretty useless AF system- the same one from the 60/50/60D/5D/5DII. Only the centre focus point is good- the others all suck in all but the best light. If you want a current-gen body, grab a 5D3 if you are happy with the DR that you are getting from Canon.

You don't have too much tied up in glass- I sold an entire large backpack full of L lenses and bro bodies to switch, and would happily do it again.
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I don't shoot sports or action of any kind and really only use the center focus point right now which is what I've always done. Would I care that the 5D3 has 40+ focus points or would it benefit me at all?

6D has the best low light performance out there right now, even better than the Nikons which is why I really want it...but wondering if I should wait or not.

The biggest reason I don't want to sell my stuff is because I just don't want to go through the hassle and I'm lazy. I got really good deals on the lenses I had so I'd make money selling them which is why it's even a possibility.
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If you typically only use the centre AF point anyway, you will not notice much advantage going to the 5D3 with its improved AF. The 5D3 is built a bit better, better weather-sealing etc, but if that doesn't matter to you/the conditions you shoot in, don't pay extra for it.
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So I currently have a Canon 40D. It was excellent back in 2007 when it was new but it simply can't even hold a candle to the modern Rebel line. The low light performance is sh1t (can't go above ISO400 without noise), the resolution is not so great mostly because of the previous issue, and the AF system is dated at best. As such, I really want to upgrade it.

Now my dilemma. I want to go full frame. Canon has been rumored to be releasing a new 6Dmk2 in the next 6ish months but that is just a rumor with nothing more to be said about it. However, the deals on the current 6D new as well as the current 5D3 used/refurb are stellar. So do I wait and struggle through the 40D to get the 6D2 in the future or get a steal on a current gen body? Remember that the 6D is two years old already and the 5D3 is older still.

Now the curve ball.

Canon has been making subpar bodies for a long time in comparison to the Nikon offerings. What are your thoughts on selling all Canon and moving to all Nikon?

I have the following lenses:
Canon 24-105L
Canon 50 1.4
Canon 70-200 2.8L (considering selling this since I don't really use it all that much, I'm hesitant because I love this lens)
want to buy a 17-40L soon.
None of the above.
Scoop up a mint condition 1Ds MarkIII on ebay, send it to canon for a freshening up and calibration, and be happy....unless you need video...in which case, canon sucks anyway. Don't sell the 70-200. It's awesome. Also, pick up a 17-40 before our trip, and if not, a manual focus rokinon for those tasty landscape shots. http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-FE14M-...s=rokinon+14mm
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Oh, and as for jumping ship....I would have done it already, except for one problem...Nikon glass isn't as good as Canon's, simple as that. Im sticking to my 1Ds and may pick up a new sony a7r with an adaptor to use my canon glass. Glass is more important than body.
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Nikon glass isn't as good as Canon's, simple as that.
The new nano-coated optics are fantastic. There's a reason Canon shooters are using the 14-24 with an EF adapter.

The new 24-70 and 70-200 lenses are spectacular. Nikon had a 200-400 years before Canon.

To say that Nikon glass isn't as good as Canon's is not true at all. Both manufacturers have their share of gems and lemons.
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None of the above.
Scoop up a mint condition 1Ds MarkIII on ebay, send it to canon for a freshening up and calibration, and be happy....unless you need video...in which case, canon sucks anyway. Don't sell the 70-200. It's awesome. Also, pick up a 17-40 before our trip, and if not, a manual focus rokinon for those tasty landscape shots. http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-FE14M-...s=rokinon+14mm
1Ds is too big and the mk3 model probably isn't as good in performance as the 6D.

I'll probably grab the 17-40 used and maybe try and get a Rokinon as well.

I'm heavily leaning towards the 6D since the only thing that would make it better is a nicer AF system which isn't a huge deal to me. I don't find anything lacking in the 40D's AF system as it is...could be a bit faster but I'd imagine the 6D has that anyway.
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Too big? What are you climbing Mt. Everest with it? Who cares. An SLR is still bulky (when compared to a mirrorless) so if it's a bit bigger (a 1D is only a grip bigger than the other bodies) but you get all the 1D goodies with it (like being built like a tank) in my eyes it's worth it. I love the fact that the body is sealed and is tougher than a bag of cement. I will pick up a sony mirrorless just to play around and maybe have a nice small body to keep with me to document my trips (rather than an iphone) but my "gallery" photos I'll still probably use the 1Ds....but I'd like to compare them side by side....same lens, but different FF bodies (canon and sony.) I don't need focusing speed most of the time in my personal life....only for work, and on occasion, my little ones.

As for performance, I only shoot at ISO100 and once in a while up to 800, so I don't care if the 6D can shoot higher, I have no use for those shots. I highly doubt at ISO100, the 6D produces a better image.
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Take the 1D for an extended hike and take the 6D for an extended hike. I bet the 6D would be much more manageable for that.

In any case, as much as you wouldn't use the high ISO performance, I wouldn't use the tough performance. I don't do this for a living so if it's sh1tty out, I don't need to take it with.

That said, I really want to get a Sony mirrorless too...but the budget cannot support both at this point.
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Take the 1D for an extended hike and take the 6D for an extended hike. I bet the 6D would be much more manageable for that.

In any case, as much as you wouldn't use the high ISO performance, I wouldn't use the tough performance. I don't do this for a living so if it's sh1tty out, I don't need to take it with.

That said, I really want to get a Sony mirrorless too...but the budget cannot support both at this point.
You're in for a big surprise when you see what I hike with...

I hike with a backpack that's around 75lbs.....50lbs is camera gear, the rest is water, snacks, first aid, etc. I assure you, if you replaced my 1D with a 6D, I wouldn't know the difference.
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Do you need lightning focusing speed?
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You're in for a big surprise when you see what I hike with...

I hike with a backpack that's around 75lbs.....50lbs is camera gear, the rest is water, snacks, first aid, etc. I assure you, if you replaced my 1D with a 6D, I wouldn't know the difference.
lol, I don't need anything close to that much sh1t for hiking.

I do camera w/one lens, water, snacks, first aid.

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Nope though I wouldn't hate it if it did.
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lol, I don't need anything close to that much sh1t for hiking.

I do camera w/one lens, water, snacks, first aid.



Nope though I wouldn't hate it if it did.
I was gonna say, maybe consider keeping the 40D and the lenses, and pick up a sony with a commlite adapter....that will give you everything you are looking for...crazy ISO performance, stunning IQ, amazing dynamic range, but only at the expense of focusing speed.....and not all the time...only sometimes.
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Where can one sell the printer for $350?
It comes with a $500 lens (STM 18-135) and a printer. $250 for lens and $100 for printer or $300 for lens or $50 for printer or whatever.
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So I currently have a Canon 40D. It was excellent back in 2007 when it was new but it simply can't even hold a candle to the modern Rebel line. The low light performance is sh1t (can't go above ISO400 without noise), the resolution is not so great mostly because of the previous issue, and the AF system is dated at best. As such, I really want to upgrade it.

Now my dilemma. I want to go full frame. Canon has been rumored to be releasing a new 6Dmk2 in the next 6ish months but that is just a rumor with nothing more to be said about it. However, the deals on the current 6D new as well as the current 5D3 used/refurb are stellar. So do I wait and struggle through the 40D to get the 6D2 in the future or get a steal on a current gen body? Remember that the 6D is two years old already and the 5D3 is older still.

Now the curve ball.

Canon has been making subpar bodies for a long time in comparison to the Nikon offerings. What are your thoughts on selling all Canon and moving to all Nikon?

I have the following lenses:
Canon 24-105L
Canon 50 1.4
Canon 70-200 2.8L (considering selling this since I don't really use it all that much, I'm hesitant because I love this lens)
want to buy a 17-40L soon.
I went with the 5d3 for the auto focus and ISO performance. I have a difficult time thinking you would regret either the 6D or 5D3 coming from a 40D. I used 1600 ISO with no noise and 3200 with very little noise.

I second keeping the 70-200 2.8. The mk1 isn't worth as much cash on the used market since mk2 was released. And if you decide you want it again, the mk2 aint cheep and is holding price in the used/referb market.

I'm with you on hiking with minimal weight. My camera pack with 5D3, 70-200 2.8, 24-70 2.8, 16-35 2.8, 580ex, remote trigger, batteries, tripod and head only weighs 14.7 pounds. I used to think my camera pack was 40 pounds then i weighed it once and realized it's far lighter than i thought it was.

No way in hell i would lug 50 pounds of camera gear up a trail. I'd struggle to FIND 50 pounds of camera gear that i'd even use, outside a studio anyway.

I haven't had any night shots with the 5D3 yet, but these were taken at ISO 4000 with the 5D2. By no means am i saying there is no noise, but for such a high ISO and what these are, they are VERY usable images. And the 6D & 5D3 high ISO shooting capability is better than this. Below it is the link to the original size so you can see the noise better.





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^ Those are perfectly usable. I don't see any noise that would bother me in those photos at all. When zoomed to 100%, you see a little noise on the background, but that is easily maskable and de-noised. Very impressive for ISO4000. Supposedly, the new Sony stuff can get results like that at ISO16000.
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^ Those are perfectly usable. I don't see any noise that would bother me in those photos at all. When zoomed to 100%, you see a little noise on the background, but that is easily maskable and de-noised. Very impressive for ISO4000. Supposedly, the new Sony stuff can get results like that at ISO16000.
That's crazy. If you can find a focus, that's like damn near pitch black photo capability.

I'm interested to see the results of the 5D3 in the same conditions as the pics i posted. Just have to wait until Jan 2016.
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