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Old 11-22-2005, 11:13 AM   #1
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MotoGP VS Formula One

Hi. I dunno how many of you watch MotoGP but I notice that at the same track F1 cars run respectively 30 seconds faster than MotoGP bikes. I know for bikes, they do have to break earlier than cars and little bit lose time during corner. Can anybody be more specific why 250+hp bike that is less than 350 pound lose 30 or more second to 750+hp and 1500lb?
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:16 AM   #2
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braking and turns. THey cant brake as fast and cannot take corners as fast. Look at the difference in their center of gravity and tire contact patches in the turns.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:21 AM   #3
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Yep... Think about all the rubber a Formula 1 car has on the ground, not to forget all the downforce it generates. I bike has two small tyres and a high CoG relative to its size.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:37 AM   #4
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Yea, It really comes down to the amount of rubber that each can put on the ground. Since the F1 car has four large contact patches vs. two smaller ones in the Moto GP's case, the F1 car can brake later and accelerate more quickly because the forces that are generated by the brakes and engine can be controlled by the larger contact area of the tires. RACER Magazine had a great artical where they comparied the Rossi's Moto GP bike and Schmacher's F1 car on the same track. They broke down braking points and acceleration points. Also, the F1 car has a tremedous areodynamic advantage (down force and aero balance) that allows areo enhancement in addition to the mechanical grip. The bike and rider are not areo effeicent especally in knee down turns.
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:49 PM   #5
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hey we all drive 325i keke
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:50 PM   #6
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I think the real question is which one is more fun.
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Old 11-23-2005, 10:21 AM   #7
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Driving a F1 car has to be a blast, but watching F1 races is like watching cars rust!
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Old 11-23-2005, 10:26 AM   #8
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Driving a F1 car has to be a blast, but watching F1 races is like watching cars rust!
yeah sure buddy .

btw f1 cars from last season had around 850-900 bhp
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850+ HP makes something interesting to watch? How can it be fun watching 850+ HP cars run single file all day? Its like watching a game of pre-school follow the leader. No one passes, the cars almost drive themselves they're so technologically advanced. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome machines, I respect their power, downforce, and technology, but its just not interesting to watch.
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Old 11-23-2005, 10:36 AM   #10
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I dont know what season you watched but it was alot more exciting this year than 2004. And there was definitly alot of passing and battling. Maybe not always for first place but definitly for 2nd and third. What about that race in San Marino where it came down to the very end.
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Ok I'll give you that...that particular race was pretty good. But to have only 1 or 2 exciting races over the course of a season is pretty bad. Its a competitive sport, means competition should happen on a regular basis...not once in a blue moon.
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you must be watching diff formula 1 from what i`m watching .
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Umm what about the race when Kimi started in last place and then won. I forgot where that was but it was towards the end.

There was a race where Button passed Shumi.

race where Montoya and Alonso were duking it out for 2nd.

I thought this was a great season for excitment. Usually it was just Michael at the pole and then him with a 30 second lead and everyone else in the back
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Old 11-23-2005, 01:41 PM   #14
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Umm what about the race when Kimi started in last place and then won. I forgot where that was but it was towards the end.
Suzuka circuit, Japan.
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alot of the time a moto gp bike has only one wheel on the ground
-just after apex the front wheel is hovering off the ground whilst on the throttle, then braking to the corner the rear is off the ground and trying to overtake the rear.

what was the race where kimi's flat spot destroyed his front end? that was a cool race. pretty good season all up.

did anyone catch m schumacher on the ducati motogp bike, he was around twenty seconds off the pace, while rossi in the ferrari, at the fiorana(?) test track, was only 3 seconds off the lap record... food for thought.
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did anyone catch m schumacher on the ducati motogp bike, he was around twenty seconds off the pace, while rossi in the ferrari, at the fiorana(?) test track, was only 3 seconds off the lap record... food for thought.

There was a Fifth Gear video where Tiff drove a Williams F1 car. He stated that the cars were now so well sorted that almost any young driver could be a few seconds off Michael's pace, but the last bit of time is very dificult to find. The danger also has to be considered, a modern F1 car is far safer than a bike, so I am sure Valentino was much more comfortable in the car than MS was on the bike....food for thought
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Also, the F1 car has a tremedous areodynamic advantage (down force and aero balance) that allows areo enhancement in addition to the mechanical grip. The bike and rider are not areo effeicent especally in knee down turns.
Good description. At WSIR, intermediate drivers are a good 20s faster than the race group for our motorcycles. As he mentioned, grip, grip, grip. Not to mention that a F1 car at speed is able to drive upside down by the down force that is generated. There is a Andretti DVD out that goes through the technology, good stuff!
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850+ HP makes something interesting to watch? How can it be fun watching 850+ HP cars run single file all day? Its like watching a game of pre-school follow the leader. No one passes, the cars almost drive themselves they're so technologically advanced. Don't get me wrong, they are awesome machines, I respect their power, downforce, and technology, but its just not interesting to watch.
Couldn't agree more. the only sport more boring than golf.

MotoGP is just so much more exciting, no contest whatsoever IMO.
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:41 PM   #19
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yea in mid-way through of racing i get kinda sleepy and my eyes are like half open.
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:46 PM   #20
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Couldn't agree more. the only sport more boring than golf.

You are wrong on that one
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