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Old 02-11-2006, 02:30 AM   #41
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but lemme tell you this, would you rather roll up to a club in a 330CI or an EVO
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Old 02-11-2006, 03:07 AM   #42
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Consider this:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...603_scc_evo_x/

The coming EVO X is built on a more luxury platform to agree with the 35K+ price, while still offering the same crazy 4 banger that is supposed to get 300-350+ HP (consider the smaller size of this sucker, easy tuning and susceptibility to mods where 500HP evo's are running around all over the place, and the 4WD that will take right off in front of you once the tree goes green...)... I'm sticking with my e46 330Ci till EVO XI goes on (I love the EVO X concept, and according to Mitsu, the real is very close to the concept, but then I will not afford it then, YET, and who wants to deal with the wrinkles in the initial production runs...)

And by the way, the Evo 4 cylinder 2 liter engine puts about 280HP which is 140+ HP per liter, with moded versions putting 300HP per liter... Magnesium alloys, titanium, salt packed piston heads to reduce weight, aluminum roof, hood, and trunk, Brembo brakes...

Now I love the BMW, and will probably never leave the 330Ci till it dies on me, but I think the EVO is a fun car to run around the track on the weekend... YOU ALL ARE RIGHT - the BMW is still the best car all around, will not kill an Evo, but fast enough with perfect torque to make my girlfriend motion sick from beeing slammed into the seats, stiff enough to take 25mph corners at 60+, while comfortable enough to not keep you awake on a 5 hour trip on the highway in the passenger seat (except M3, great car, but I could not fall asleep even though very tired on a 400 mile trip in it), and inside ambiance engineering is a genius, with no other interior ever getting close (have you seen the Evo interior - yes, a couple nice parts - but otherway, cheap economy interior)...

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Old 02-11-2006, 06:58 AM   #43
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I think the reason for threads like this is that one of the perceptions of BMW's are that they're "fast." People buy them thinking that they are the fastest cars on the road and after they get them and spend some time with them they realize that they aren't really that much faster then a lot of other cars out there right now. (I think BMW is going to fix this when the new coupes start coming out with the 335's).

Another misconception is that they're "expensive", all of the them. Yes brand new BMW's are expensive, but I swear someone could be driving some inexpensive 6 year old 525 they bought used yesterday, and everyone thinks they still paid a lot of money for the car.

These misconceptions are what lead to posts like this. BMW markets their cars as "the ultimate driving machine" and a lot of people misinterpret that to mean "the ultimate perfect in everyway driving machine." BMW's are very well rounded cars that do everything well but they are not the performance machines that some people misconceive them to be.

I'm one of the STI drivers on here, but I've owned two E46's in the past and I have my reasons for getting the STI that I'm not going to get into here. The reason I'm still here is because I'm saving for an E92 M3 or 335Ci, and if I don't like the E92's I'm planning to buy a used late model E46 M3 or 330Ci ZHP.

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To this day no one has found a car more fun to drive than a Bimmer! Straight up! And a 4 wheel drive will only out handle a rear wheel drive in a low grip situation. 4wd has to much understeer.
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Old 02-12-2006, 08:10 AM   #45
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4wd has to much understeer.
As a general rule that's true but an AWD system designed with performance in mind, with a suspension to match won't understeer anymore then RWD.
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Old 02-12-2006, 09:06 AM   #46
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He told me he now looks at our believed BMW's and laughs everytime he sees one. I asked him why. he replies I know the owner loved the looks he gets driving it , but he can not fool himself. he asked me if i liked me car. i said yes i love my car. He replied , yep that is what we make you think.

p.s. my friend has been head of BMW's marketing department for many many many years. He truley knows bmws and he truley knows how to make the public eye respect something that is "NOT".!!1

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As a general rule that's true but an AWD system designed with performance in mind, with a suspension to match won't understeer anymore then RWD.

You ever seen an AWD race car out perform a RWD one? Like I said AWD is good in a low grip situation. ie World Rally Championchip. Lots of understeer in high grip situation, due to torque on the front wheels.
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I respectfully disagree

Strabo: I appreciate your honesty. However, I drove a 330izhp (which I bought), Audi's, Benz's, Volvo's, Saab's, Toyotas, you name it. Nothing even came close. In fact, with the exception of the Porsche Boxter, once I drove the Bimmer I began to hate all the other cars. It's a feeling. To each his own, but myh zhp is so much more fun to drive than just about anything else out there, I don't know what I'll do when I need a new one. I hate the e90 look. But The 3 rocks. And my re-sale is awesome. The zhp will hold its value very well, especially with the ugly new Japanese-inspired e90. Just my thoughts.

If you're feeling a lack of passion in the BMW brand, I'd go to Porsche. If you don't feel it there you never will.

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Old 02-12-2006, 12:46 PM   #49
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Consider this:

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...603_scc_evo_x/

The coming EVO X is built on a more luxury platform to agree with the 35K+ price, while still offering the same crazy 4 banger that is supposed to get 300-350+ HP (consider the smaller size of this sucker, easy tuning and susceptibility to mods where 500HP evo's are running around all over the place, and the 4WD that will take right off in front of you once the tree goes green...)... I'm sticking with my e46 330Ci till EVO XI goes on (I love the EVO X concept, and according to Mitsu, the real is very close to the concept, but then I will not afford it then, YET, and who wants to deal with the wrinkles in the initial production runs...)

And by the way, the Evo 4 cylinder 2 liter engine puts about 280HP which is 140+ HP per liter, with moded versions putting 300HP per liter... Magnesium alloys, titanium, salt packed piston heads to reduce weight, aluminum roof, hood, and trunk, Brembo brakes...

Now I love the BMW, and will probably never leave the 330Ci till it dies on me, but I think the EVO is a fun car to run around the track on the weekend... YOU ALL ARE RIGHT - the BMW is still the best car all around, will not kill an Evo, but fast enough with perfect torque to make my girlfriend motion sick from beeing slammed into the seats, stiff enough to take 25mph corners at 60+, while comfortable enough to not keep you awake on a 5 hour trip on the highway in the passenger seat (except M3, great car, but I could not fall asleep even though very tired on a 400 mile trip in it), and inside ambiance engineering is a genius, with no other interior ever getting close (have you seen the Evo interior - yes, a couple nice parts - but otherway, cheap economy interior)...
do you know under what kind of boost it gets that power? i believe it's over 20psi ... get 330 supercharged at 20psi and it will eat ur little evo alive
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i love bmw's, esp. the e46, which is why i am on this site. but later on, i think i will buy an EVO or STi, or even an S2K. I'll definitly upgrade to the M3 sooner or later, and have the EVO, STi or S2K as the beater. I love all cars but BMW is definitely my favorite overall because of how the cars are..overall.
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You ever seen an AWD race car out perform a RWD one?
The Audi's, Porsche's & Subaru's I watch on the speedchannel seem to do allright.
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The Audi's, Porsche's & Subaru's I watch on the speedchannel seem to do allright.
LOL!!! You need to watch a real automotive show like "Top Gear". Search it on some torrent sites. Its a European automotive show where the really put cars to the test. Not weak test done on Speed Channel. The test everything from a Honda Civic right up to a Bugati!! They even put the AWD Porsche against the RWD one, and like I said before the RWD is faster on a track!!
Check it out and you'll learn something about cars. You gotta here what the say about BMW's especially the M5. They are real honest and have not time for BS!! check it out!!!
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LOL!!! You need to watch a real automotive show like "Top Gear". Search it on some torrent sites. Its a European automotive show where the really put cars to the test. Not weak test done on Speed Channel. The test everything from a Honda Civic right up to a Bugati!! They even put the AWD Porsche against the RWD one, and like I said before the RWD is faster on a track!!
Check it out and you'll learn something about cars. You gotta here what the say about BMW's especially the M5. They are real honest and have not time for BS!! check it out!!!
I think recently they test the M3 against the new S4 and the M3 won in almost all the categories except when it was raining. Not 100% sure but I think that's how it went.
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I think recently they test the M3 against the new S4 and the M3 won in almost all the categories except when it was raining. Not 100% sure but I think that's how it went.

You got it!!! AWD is good in low grip situation like rain, mud, snow, dirt, etc.
its physics man!!!
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Of course the evo and the sti will KILL the 330 in performance. Their TURBO charged and PURPOSE BUILT CARS. (WRC Champoinship) And cater a different market. I have a 330ci and my best friend has an STI and we switched cars for a couple of days. YES the STI is a BEAST with 300 and 300. But at the end of the day I wanted my 330ci back. He kept saying about my 330 that it increases the CONFIDENCE in the driver as far as communicating road feedback (and I just have the factory sport package suspension). But you have to be honest........the evo and the sti are geared to a different market that the 330. Their just different cars. I'm not saying that BMW is perfect but they're not looking for the same market segment as the subaru and mitu are with the sti. (At least not with the 330)
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another severely misinformed thread. to the guy 'dambro24', who said that BMW's don't have 'confort'(you do mean 'comfort', right?); are you kidding? a 3 series is a sports sedan, not a luxury sedan. i live in NY as well, and i find it more than comfortable enough. its obviously not as comfortable as a 5 or 7 series- which those cars are for. there are obviously faster cars than 3 series out there, as said 630940970497309603906 times- the 3 series is an all-around, balanced car. if i want pure straight line speed, i'd get a '03\'04 mustang cobra, spend a few hundred on mods and make close to 600hp. if i wanted shear handling and speed, i'd get a corvette z06. if i wanted winter capable AWD and good handling, i'd get an evo\sti.
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LOL!!! You need to watch a real automotive show like "Top Gear". Search it on some torrent sites. Its a European automotive show where the really put cars to the test. Not weak test done on Speed Channel. The test everything from a Honda Civic right up to a Bugati!! They even put the AWD Porsche against the RWD one, and like I said before the RWD is faster on a track!!
Check it out and you'll learn something about cars. You gotta here what the say about BMW's especially the M5. They are real honest and have not time for BS!! check it out!!!
Yeah...

And here's their top 10 for 2005 based in Reliability, Driving Enjoyment and Dealer Service:

1: Honda S2000
2: Lexus IS200/300
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LOL!!! You need to watch a real automotive show like "Top Gear". Search it on some torrent sites. Its a European automotive show where the really put cars to the test. Not weak test done on Speed Channel. They are real honest and have not time for BS!! check it out!!!
1) I'm talking about the racing competitions on the speedchannel, what are you talking about?

2) I love Topgear and I have many episodes on my harddrive, but Topgear is a biased show which is more entertainment & opinion then fact.
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He told me he now looks at our believed BMW's and laughs everytime he sees one. I asked him why. he replies I know the owner loved the looks he gets driving it , but he can not fool himself. he asked me if i liked me car. i said yes i love my car. He replied , yep that is what we make you think.

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OK, you probably don't get many posts from 50-somethings like me, but here's how it went. My wife and I have owned Corollas, a Camry, Toyota trucks, lots of MGs, a Miata, an old Jag XJ6, and all sorts of other automotive miscellanea. We felt it was time to reward ourselves with something that combined performance with comfort. Yeah, we drove a WRX, and realized that at the end of the day we still would have had a little tin box. The IS300
Lexus felt like a little slot car, but was still too "boy racer" for our tastes. The Cooper S was cute and appealed to my British leanings, but the funky interior was too New Millenium for me (although I liked the Apollo Command Module row of guarded toggle switches on the panel). I couldn't live with the Nissan ugliness genes of a G35, it looks like a rabid grinning chipmunk from the front. And the EVO? Cheap and plasticky-ugly like every MitzyBitzy ever built.
No, BMW didn't win us over by their marketing, it was the test drive that did it. As we brought it back to the dealership, my wife said "This car makes me smile". Not just the power, or the handling, or the comfort, it was the fact that everything fit together as an integrated whole. And after living with our 330ci, my wife (who plays oboe semi-profesionally) summed it up perfectly. She said the BMW feels like a professional-quality orchestral instrument, as opposed to a student model.
So danbro24 and the others can go off and play with their Selmers, but we are taking pleasure in our Loree.
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