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Old 02-17-2006, 04:27 PM   #41
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I retract whatever it is I said about never ever considering an E90.
lol me too... i was ganna go for benz next but DAMN, bi-turbos good move BMW !!!!!!!!! GOOD MOVEEEEEEEE
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Old 02-17-2006, 04:28 PM   #42
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Evidence shows (and most people here agree) that FI engines are easier/cheaper to get power out of. It's unusual then that BMW will put a 400hp V8 into the M3 and a 306hp Bi-Turbo I6 into the 335i. Wouldn't it be very easy to bring them close in performance for less money than the M3 will cost?
ya im pretty sure it will take like 1-2k tops for extra 40-60hp
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Old 02-17-2006, 04:29 PM   #43
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Evidence shows (and most people here agree) that FI engines are easier/cheaper to get power out of. It's unusual then that BMW will put a 400hp V8 into the M3 and a 306hp Bi-Turbo I6 into the 335i. Wouldn't it be very easy to bring them close in performance for less money than the M3 will cost?
Actually those of us that mod present such a small number of overall BMW ownership that our efforts to achieve big HP numbers at a cheap price will be negligible.

Secondly I believe that cracking the BMW DME will be no easy task. It took Jim C. three years to come out with a Shark injector for 3.0L and 2.5L engines, many tuners still don't have any software for the ZHP cars. A software upgrade to increase the boost pressure of these new turbos will not happen anytime soon. Furthermore increasing the boost and thusly raising the hp numbers will surely change the driveablity of the cars. The "lag free" performance that the car is supposed to have will disappear once people start trying to crank up the power.

One final thing, it looks like the headers will once again be one of the main bottlenecks of this engine. Goddamn those things look restrictive. Oh and that's a tiny looking intercooler.
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Old 02-17-2006, 04:30 PM   #44
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No i believe its a variation of the current M5 engine with two less cylinders.

Correct.
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Old 02-17-2006, 04:37 PM   #45
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damn 400NM of torque equates roughly to 300lb/ft, and it's from 1500-5800rpms, with that kind of a torque curve, i bet it would run 0-60 in 5.0-5.2 seconds instead of the (infamously underestimated) BMW stated time of 5.7 0-100 (62mph) time....

with the right drive, it could keep up with the e46 M3, and if the M3 is a bad driver, maybe even beat it...of course the m3 with more hp, will beat the 335i at higher speeds, but i think you could mod the 335i for more hp easier, so that will be overcome easily....

i was deciding whether i should get a 335i or used M3, im definately getting the 335i now
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Notice the 5th gear 80-120 km/h time (6.3s) which is FASTER than what the E46 M3 can do in the same gear (and remember that the E46 M3 has fairly aggressive gearing). What does this mean? Better highway acceleration and a more streetable power curve.

Oh, and another thing: it's a direct injection 3 liter. Meaning fuel economy will be equal to and likely better than the current 330i (300 hp and 30+ mpg on the highway).

Considering the mass of torque it has and the potential for relatively great fuel economy, I'd rather have this car and engine than the gas guzzling S54 powered M3, personally.
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my only concern if they can make it look good, i hope they do...

if it looks good + all that power = me in huge debt but it will be worth it
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wow, bmw is back in the running for the next potential car for me it would be pretty cool to see the mod capability of the new engine. i think bmw should take this one step further and make an awd version with this motor. if they did this it would probably knock out the sti and evo and give the s4 a run for its money.
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wow, bmw is back in the running for the next potential car for me it would be pretty cool to see the mod capability of the new engine. i think bmw should take this one step further and make an awd version with this motor. if they did this it would probably knock out the sti and evo and give the s4 a run for its money.
awd= the lose
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Old 02-17-2006, 05:31 PM   #50
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meh donno if its good idea

i was always proud of the NA engines bmw made

now they are less specials
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how so?
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how so?

no drifting
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how so?
IMO real BMWs are rear wheel drive.
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drifting is the forte of rwd cars. rwd is nice because you can throttle steer much better than any other platform, but awd is nice because you can pull out of a corner much sooner.
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IMO real BMWs are rear wheel drive.
i guess all the guys on this board with xi's dont drive real bmw's, of course IYO
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Proper sports cars are rwd.
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Proper sports cars are rwd.
a porsche 911 turbo is not a proper sports car?
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Why do you think the GT2 is RWD?
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what kind of reliablity do YOU THINK THEY WILL have compared to an audio s4? because s4 reliablity , SUCKSSS!!!!!!!
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Why do you think the GT2 is RWD?
that wasnt the question i asked. i never said rwd was not good. i said an awd version of the car would be cool like the current xi's but with the new motor.

so back to the question i asked, do you not consider the 911 turbo a proper sports car?
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