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Old 03-10-2006, 09:02 PM   #21
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The oil drain line you're planning on using is on the wrong side of the engine if you plan to go turbo. You'll need to be tapping the oil pan on the side where the exhaust manifold resides unless you plan on using a pump.
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:15 AM   #22
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That's a good point. Why don't supercharger kit mfgs (Technik, etc) that require tapping the oil pan do this instead?

Drilling and tapping the oil pan seems very iffy. Drill/tap into the pan, let the metal shavings fly and hope for the best? You could drop the oil pan (although the installation instructions don't specify that). But how many installers drop the oil pan?

I don't think ESS requires tapping the oil pan. However don't know what they do instead.
ESS uses the oil dip stick for oil return.

http://www.my330i.com/mod41.php#AC

Steps 18 and on. But this is a molded part from ESS. I don't know if it possible to buy it separately.
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:12 AM   #23
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What if you ran something like a AA SC kit and had a seperate oil system and that way you wouldnt have to tap anything. Not sure if it would work with a turbo ,but just a thought.
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:53 PM   #24
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That's a good point. Why don't supercharger kit mfgs (Technik, etc) that require tapping the oil pan do this instead?

Drilling and tapping the oil pan seems very iffy. Drill/tap into the pan, let the metal shavings fly and hope for the best? You could drop the oil pan (although the installation instructions don't specify that). But how many installers drop the oil pan?

I don't think ESS requires tapping the oil pan. However don't know what they do instead.
I think they use a modified dipstick.
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:51 PM   #25
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I am going to look into a sepaerate oiling system for the turbo with an oil pump and sepaerate resevoir (spelling). I will keep everyone updated on my progress.

Turbo should be in by next week!
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Old 03-12-2006, 04:09 PM   #26
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what turbo are you useing?.....mines goign in around next week as well
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:09 PM   #27
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i've seen aftermarket oil gauge companies suggest remote mounting electric oil senders for high performance applications. what i was wondering is why companies dont have you take a pipe tap to AN fitting adapter and use a line to go to whatever needs oil, and instead of drilling a hole in the oil pan and tapping it, make a fitting to replace the oil drain plug as the return hole that seals like a drain plug on one end, and has an AN fitting on the other. All you'd have to do to change oil would still be take the one thing off. then no tapping of the anything is required, and all is reversable. any thoughts?
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That is a good point and what I was looking to do, but the return line needs to be closer without the use of an oil pump like so:

**Pic from Cameron's BMW M3: "Kirra"**
As for the feed line, it can be spread further from the turbo itself, so the location like the oil drain plug could be a possible location.

Anyhow, after the pan is tapped, it will be with an fittings so one can unscrew the oil line w/o having to take something out of the tapped oilpan...if that makes any sense.
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I thought you're supposed to also tap above the oil line when not using a pump? I remember reading a debate about this on DTM power. The turbo picture didn't show this, that's why i'm asking...
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I thought you're supposed to also tap above the oil line when not using a pump? I remember reading a debate about this on DTM power. The turbo picture didn't show this, that's why i'm asking...
I second that...
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I think I am a bit lost with the above comment. Elaborate please?
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I think I am a bit lost with the above comment. Elaborate please?
without a pump, you have to tap above to oil level. Not where oil sits
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For the feed or return?
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return line.
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i for one don't think it would matter as teh oil exiting into the oil pan is at pressure and in theory act the same as a jet in a hot tub. but i could be mistaken.
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i for one don't think it would matter as teh oil exiting into the oil pan is at pressure and in theory act the same as a jet in a hot tub. but i could be mistaken.
if u have no pump, u want no back pressure agains the oil leaving the turbo
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I swear, I am so confused right now on this stupid little question!
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it's simple.

If you're not using a pump the oil return line must have a downward slope to the pan, and must be above the oil line.
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Ha Perfect! Nice and simple

So what is the simplicity for the feed line?
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The feed is pressurized so it should be ok.
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