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Old 03-25-2006, 09:52 PM   #41
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Jeuprx-8 just responded with a very opinionated statement. I for one don't think it's necessarily as fast as people think. It is a very fast car for its size and characteristics, but it's no lambo. (which is obvious to most, I hope)
In my opinion any car that can do 0-100 mph in 9.5 seconds is pretty damn fast. (based on R&T tests that's 2.5 seconds quicker than an M3, .7 seconds quicker than the new Ferrari 612 Scagletti, equal to a Porsche GT3, .3 seconds slower than a Ferrari 430 spider, and only .4 seconds slower than a Lamborghini Gallardo. (also it's quarter mile is 12.4 vs the Gallardo's 12.3 seconds) To me that is a very fast car regardless of it's size or characteristics. In terms of straight line accelaration it is no lambo but it's definitely extremely close.
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:31 AM   #42
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M5's aren't selling for a few reasons.
A.) they have already been recalled for the VANOS hose.
B.) people are still getting used to the styling, interior wise and exterior, my mom has an E60 530i and the interior compared to my E39 is extreme, the E60 is too curvy and uncomfortable inside.
C.) iDrive, you would think by now people have overcame the hype, but the car magazines really deterred people, hell maybe even BMW shot themselves in the foot with it aswell
Finnally, D.) Too expensive for a BMW, people still have this notion that a BMW should not be priced as high as a Mercedes. BMW's are known for the younger crowd appeal, personally I think they are more well built then the MB's, but what do I know?
Slowly but surely they will move, but the M6 is most likely gonna move even slower. The 6 series is the least selling BMW, yet they are making an M version, IDK.
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:32 AM   #43
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you don't have the 760 in the states?
We do, see a lot more S600's then 760's though.
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:42 AM   #44
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jeff to the rescue lol

look its a great car, but its not moving the way it should be. there have been alot of the great cars (take the NSX for example) that just didnt sell for whatever reason. U guys really are up in arms over what?
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Old 03-26-2006, 11:43 AM   #45
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Prestige has something like the 2nd or 3rd highest allocation of of M cars on the east coast...i see 3 or 4 a day around me (saddle river--5 miles from prestige) so they're likely to have them if anyone is going to
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Old 03-26-2006, 11:48 AM   #46
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So consensus says.............


....the two NJ residents (..tipsy and Jeff) don't know what their talking about in terms of overall E60 ///M5 sales.

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So consensus says.............


....the two NJ residents (..tipsy and Jeff) don't know what their talking about in terms of overall E60 ///M5 sales.

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Next time I want to listen to Kermit the frog, I will turn on the TV. NEXT!!!!!
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Next time I want to listen to Kermit the frog, I will turn on the TV. NEXT!!!!!
All of the snide comments in the world won't change the fact that you (...and tipsy) are factually incorrect.
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All of the snide comments in the world won't change the fact that you (...and tipsy) are factually incorrect.
What I mentioned, has a great deal to do with why the M5's aren't selling. You dont think the Bangle styling and iDrive is affecting the M5; it's affecting the E60 as a whole. Just because you have seen a few, doesn't mean its selling like hotcakes. I have seen my share as well, but the bottomline is BMW has suffered since the Bangle transformation. If you cant agree with that, then you need to wake up and read the facts.
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What I mentioned, has a great deal to do with why the M5's aren't selling. You dont think the Bangle styling and iDrive is affecting the M5; it's affecting the E60 as a whole. Just because you have seen a few, doesn't mean its selling like hotcakes. I have seen my share as well, but the bottomline is BMW has suffered since the Bangle transformation. If you cant agree with that, then you need to wake up and read the facts.

Ok, enough of the Bangle/IDrive references. Bangle's styling has proved itself successful via units sold. Those are the facts. Every new BMW is outselling its predecessor (.....Z4, 7, 5, etc.). As much as you'd like to believe that Bangle's vehicles aren't selling, sales state otherwise. IDrive, which was never cumbersome IMHO, has vastly been improved, and polls are more favorable now.

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Ok, enough of the Bangle/IDrive references. Bangle's styling has proved itself successful via units sold. Those are the facts. Every new BMW is outselling its predecessor (.....Z4, 7, 5, etc.). As much as you'd like to believe that Bangle's vehicles aren't selling, sales state otherwise. IDrive, which was never cumbersome IMHO, has vastly been improved, and polls are more favorable now.
Why does everyone tend to disagree with you. Car magazines, other members on this board, the general public, etc. I have come to the conclusion that you will never be happy until everyones agrees with you. Good luck on your quest.
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Why does everyone tend to disagree with you. Car magazines, other members on this board, the general public, etc. I have come to the conclusion that you will never be happy until everyones agrees with you. Good luck on your quest.

Who's everyone? The last that I read (...in Motor Trend), they rescinded their negative comments about Bangle's new vehicles stating that, "Bangle was right. His design cues are proving successful." Online forums make up a very, very miniscule amount of the total BMW drivers, and everything tends to be amplified/exaggerated (..ex...///M3 motor failures) with regards to online message boards (...wise people know this). The general public speaks in the language of sales, and sales tell the true story. There is no way for you to refute sales numbers. Sorry bro, you can't win a battle against numbers, and your lack of knowledge is apparent.

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Who's everyone? The last that I read (...in Motor Trend), they rescinded their negative comments about Bangle's new vehicles stating that, "Bangle was right. His design cues are proving successful." Online forums make up a very, very miniscule amount of the total BMW drivers, and everything tends to be amplified with regards to online message boards (...wise people know this). The general public speaks in the language of sales, and sales tell the true story. There is no way for you to refute sales numbers. Sorry bro, you can't win a battle against numbers.
In every car magazine I have read, the cons on the BMW's have been iDrive. One magazine stating "iDrive, NO YOU DRIVE" refering too the computer controlling to much of the features.
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In every car magazine I have read, the cons on the BMW's have been iDrive. One magazine stating "iDrive, NO YOU DRIVE" refering too the computer controlling to much of the features.
Then it is obvious that you haven't read more recent articles praising its revisions. It's not perfect, but it's not bad either.

It always amazed me that people could be so tech savvy, yet, suffer from an inherent inability to navigate IDrive. It's a very simple interface to navigate. I learned how to operate IDrive comfortably in 10 minutes.
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The last time I visited my dealer (Global Imports in Atlanta), they didn't have any M5's in stock.
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Then it is obvious that you haven't read more recent articles praising its revisions. It's not perfect, but it's not bad either.

It always amazed me that people could be so tech savvy, yet, suffer from an inherent inability to navigate IDrive. It's a very simple interface to navigate. I learned how to operate IDrive comfortably in 10 minutes.
SAME

However, this is what I have read.
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You know what's funny is that everyone else is now adopting some form of I-drive interface in their flagship vehicles, notably, MB and Infiniti. Americans are just lazy, there was nothing complicated about I-drive initially, unless of course you're illiterate. My sister's husband bought a new 545i when it first debuted and I questioned him about the I-drive and he did'nt understand why car editors criticised it so much. This goes to show that you can't always trust car magazines editors opinion.
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SHOW ME, THAT FACTUALLY WE ARE WRONG
go ahead, so me that there are NO M5s sitting there. talk to a dealer, just do it, see how well they are selling. ive got 3, JMK, PRESTIGE, and OPEN ROAD, all telling me that they arent selling like BMWNA is expecting them to.

im sorry i cant respect a man, that cant believe a BMW model can cool down. ITS A HOT CAR, ITS A GREAT CAR, AND I CONSIDERED PURCHASING IT.

but im sorry u cant get it through ur thick head, that it the rest of the world dont like i-drive/the styling/the motor as much as u do.

i think its sad that a frog can be so stubborn.
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SHOW ME, THAT FACTUALLY WE ARE WRONG
go ahead, so me that there are NO M5s sitting there. talk to a dealer, just do it, see how well they are selling. ive got 3, JMK, PRESTIGE, and OPEN ROAD, all telling me that they arent selling like BMWNA is expecting them to.

im sorry i cant respect a man, that cant believe a BMW model can cool down. ITS A HOT CAR, ITS A GREAT CAR, AND I CONSIDERED PURCHASING IT.

but im sorry u cant get it through ur thick head, that it the rest of the world dont like i-drive/the styling/the motor as much as u do.

i think its sad that a frog can be so stubborn.


It blew my mind yesterday when I walked into a Benz dealership, as to how much the AMG's are selling. Yes the AMG model's offer much more of a variety; but people were looking and buying at SL55's like they were candy. One more thing, a big thing. 3/4 BMW dealerships I have been too have had M5's on the floor, LOCKED. The Benz dealership had every car open except the SLR McLaren. That includes the SL65, S65, CL65, and new S550, all WIDE OPEN. Maybe if BMW actually had the M5 opened, and were more warming towards customers, they would sell them.
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lol i think we need to inform about open road, maybe then they will understand just a little more
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