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Old 10-09-2008, 02:17 PM   #3101
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Frobie, I got a ticket today CVC 22100(a). Right turn from the improper position was written on the ticket. The officers set up a "trap" on a freeway on ramp. It is a two lane freeway on ramp that you have to make a right to enter. The street from which you enter has 3 lanes. One lane is a right turn only lane and the center lane is not marked. There are no signs that say the center lane can or cannot turn right. I was in the center lane and the cars in front of my had signals to turn right as did I. I thought nothing of it, turned right and was pulled over. The officer said I cut the people off in the right turn lane. There are two lanes to enter the freeway for a reason and I did not cut them off. Two people in front of me turned right and one behind me, yet I get pulled over. Should I contest this ticket by a written trial? I do not want to lose my option for traffic school. The ground has really old paint marks and I could not tell if the arrow was for just straight or straight and right. I safely made a right turn with my signal on and no danger to anyone as the lane next to me was right turn only. Any advice. Thanks.

In addition to road markings, there may be a sign as you approach the intersection showing which lanes are designated to go which direction. As a general rule, if there is a lane designated with a painted turn arrow, the lanes next to it would be straight only unless indicated otherwise.

My guess is that there is likely a sign posted somewhere or perhaps some markings that you missed. With so many people out there to cite for all kinds of violations, I doubt the officers would sit somewhere and cite for a violation that is very ambiguous and seemingly likely to produce a lot of contested tickets. Fishing holes such as these (yes, I have some too), are usually for the most clear cut violations that are very easy to prove in court, otherwise the officers would pick somewhere else to sit.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:27 PM   #3102
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These questions are in the spirit of the multiple turn lane issue.

If there are two right-turn lanes. And the signal is red. Is it legal for the outside turn lane to make a right hand turn, into the second lane? Barring on-coming traffic of course.

Another issue at the same location, it is a two-turn lane onto a three lane road. Almost everybody skips the first lane on their turn. The first-lane drivers turn into the second lane and the second-lane drivers go into the third. There are no road marking indicating that they should be doing this. This causes a problem for me because I use the second-land and turn into the second lane. I have almost been struck multiple times. Is there any way to report trouble locations such as these? I have tried the general non-emergency local police phone line only to be told that they really didn't care. If I am side-swiped, or even t-boned, from the person in the first lane, it would be their fault, correct? They would have failed to turn onto the lane closest to the curb...
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:32 PM   #3103
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These questions are in the spirit of the multiple turn lane issue.

If there are two right-turn lanes. And the signal is red. Is it legal for the outside turn lane to make a right hand turn, into the second lane? Barring on-coming traffic of course.

Another issue at the same location, it is a two-turn lane onto a three lane road. Almost everybody skips the first lane on their turn. The first-lane drivers turn into the second lane and the second-lane drivers go into the third. There are no road marking indicating that they should be doing this. This causes a problem for me because I use the second-land and turn into the second lane. I have almost been struck multiple times. Is there any way to report trouble locations such as these? I have tried the general non-emergency local police phone line only to be told that they really didn't care. If I am side-swiped, or even t-boned, from the person in the first lane, it would be their fault, correct? They would have failed to turn onto the lane closest to the curb...
first question- correct
second question- you're right about who would be at fault and which lane they should turn into. You should contact your city hall about issues like this. Usually the police departments aren't the governing body that can help with issues/changes like the one you brought up.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:59 AM   #3104
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As I had expected, since why I asked earlier in this thread. I got pulled over for a "modified" exhaust, when my car is 100% stock from the airbox to the stock exhaust. These officers did not want to reason with me at all. It was basically my word against theirs, and I know mine is basically worth nothing. Is that the case in these situations?

I drive a widebody M3, with the original race car paint scheme, hence the profiling. I let them search my entire engine bay and exhaust, etc, which there was nothing to be found. Then when they asked if I would let them search my trunk, I told them no. They were trying to peer pressure me into letting them search it, by saying I probably had nitrous in there and that is why i am denying them from searching it.

I wanted to be as reasonable as possible, however, they were having none of it at all. I could not argue with them, as it would make me seem rude, but at the same time, I was in no violation of any illegal engine mods to begin with. Am I basically a puppet at that point, since it would be their word against mine?

If there is nothing that I can do, then there is nothing I can do. However, if there is even a chance of me protecting myself from this type of "harassment", then I would really like to know.

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:21 AM   #3105
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As I had expected, since why I asked earlier in this thread. I got pulled over for a "modified" exhaust, when my car is 100% stock from the airbox to the stock exhaust. These officers did not want to reason with me at all. It was basically my word against theirs, and I know mine is basically worth nothing. Is that the case in these situations?

I drive a widebody M3, with the original race car paint scheme, hence the profiling. I let them search my entire engine bay and exhaust, etc, which there was nothing to be found. Then when they asked if I would let them search my trunk, I told them no. They were trying to peer pressure me into letting them search it, by saying I probably had nitrous in there and that is why i am denying them from searching it.

I wanted to be as reasonable as possible, however, they were having none of it at all. I could not argue with them, as it would make me seem rude, but at the same time, I was in no violation of any illegal engine mods to begin with. Am I basically a puppet at that point, since it would be their word against mine?

If there is nothing that I can do, then there is nothing I can do. However, if there is even a chance of me protecting myself from this type of "harassment", then I would really like to know.

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Unfortunately a car that looks modified (illegally) probably is, so you're likely to be hit up often by those officers/deputies that enjoy enforcing equipment laws. A saying within law enforcement (and a common knowledge one outside of it as well) is "walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck." So, if you want to walk and talk like one, be prepared that some people might think that they are a duck and they'll treat you like that until proven otherwise. The image you portray is that of a modified "race" car, so you've opened yourself up to scrutiny
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:41 AM   #3106
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What's that move called when the police is chasing someone and a cop car drives up to the chased car and pushes it from the rear to make it spin? Such a cool move !
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:36 AM   #3107
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:03 AM   #3108
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What's that move called when the police is chasing someone and a cop car drives up to the chased car and pushes it from the rear to make it spin? Such a cool move !
Spin-and-pin.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:04 AM   #3109
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Frobie,

I don't know if you remember my situation but I asked you what to do because I never received my courtesy letter and I missed my court date. I ended up calling them and it turned out that the officer who issued my ticket wrote down the wrong drivers license. Since that happened, they didn't put me at any fault for missing my court date and said they would change it and send me a letter. This was back on 9/28. About 1 week ago I received a letter and at the top it said something along time lines of "notice of court date chage". It had my old court date and my new court date. Is this the only letter I receive? Or should I expect another letter where I can check a box for going to traffic school or pay the fine? This was a speeding ticket for 75+ on a 65. Thanks Frobie and whoever answers.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:44 PM   #3110
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What's that move called when the police is chasing someone and a cop car drives up to the chased car and pushes it from the rear to make it spin? Such a cool move !
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Spin-and-pin.
It's the P.I.T. maneuver. Pursuit Intervention Technique. Hard to do properly, but if you can pull it off there's usually little damage to either vehicle.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:45 PM   #3111
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I don't know if you remember my situation but I asked you what to do because I never received my courtesy letter and I missed my court date. I ended up calling them and it turned out that the officer who issued my ticket wrote down the wrong drivers license. Since that happened, they didn't put me at any fault for missing my court date and said they would change it and send me a letter. This was back on 9/28. About 1 week ago I received a letter and at the top it said something along time lines of "notice of court date chage". It had my old court date and my new court date. Is this the only letter I receive? Or should I expect another letter where I can check a box for going to traffic school or pay the fine? This was a speeding ticket for 75+ on a 65. Thanks Frobie and whoever answers.
That'll probably be the only letter you get. And treat it like it's for the first court date you received. If you were planning on going to court, then schedule that now. If you were just going to do traffic school, request that now and pay the fine.
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Old 10-17-2008, 06:46 AM   #3112
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WHAT??? PIITB MANEUVER??? haha

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It's the P.I.T. maneuver. Pursuit Intervention Technique. Hard to do properly, but if you can pull it off there's usually little damage to either vehicle.
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:08 AM   #3113
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WHAT??? PIITB MANEUVER??? haha
HAHAHA No, no, no! That's off duty...
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:12 AM   #3114
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Hello Frobie,
I think this is a great idea and from what I have seen it has helped a lot of people understand basic laws and such. Seeing as you are no longer on the hard freeways of O.C. When would the number of CHP on the fallowing freeways be minimal? 55 s/n 5 s/n 22. Thanks.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:33 PM   #3116
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I did this thread more for MY peace of mind, than anyone else's
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3- 99+ is what I usually write when people are going over 100. Over 100 is a mandatory appearance before a judge, 99 is not. Keeps me from having too much court.
about a month ago i got pulled over on 280 for doing 98? i have a mandatory court appearance? how screwed am i? possibility of loosing my license?
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about a month ago i got pulled over on 280 for doing 98? i have a mandatory court appearance? how screwed am i? possibility of loosing my license?
You shouldn't have any chance of losing your license. But I suppose the judge could always pull out some obscure law.
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I don't know who you're talking to, but I'll try to answer as best as I can
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I think this is a great idea and from what I have seen it has helped a lot of people understand basic laws and such. Seeing as you are no longer on the hard freeways of O.C. When would the number of CHP on the fallowing freeways be minimal? 55 s/n 5 s/n 22. Thanks.
There is always going to be fewer squad cars out on the graveyard shift. No matter where you are in the state. Otherwise day shift on the weekends in the urban areas are lighter staffed. But keep in mind that there's fewer civilian cars out at those times as well, so you run a good risk of getting caught still.
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thanks for making this thread frobie just started skimming through it good stuff.
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thanks for making this thread frobie just started skimming through it good stuff.
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