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Old 07-13-2007, 11:49 AM   #1881
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I can talk in a normal voice and someone can hear me 50 feet away...
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I can talk in a normal voice and someone can hear me 50 feet away...
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:02 PM   #1883
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I just don't see how sound can be regulated by a measurement of distance. Is this just a rule of thumb or is this how the law puts it? We normally talk at 60dB when traffic runs around 80dB. How can a police officer determine what's 50 feet?
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Sound Amplification Devices

27007. No driver of a vehicle shall operate, or permit the operation of, any sound amplification system which can be heard outside the vehicle from 50 or more feet when the vehicle is being operated upon a highway, unless that system is being operated to request assistance or warn of a hazardous situation. This section shall not apply to authorized emergency vehicles or vehicles operated by gas, electric, communications, or water utilities. This section does not apply to the sound systems of vehicles used for advertising, or in parades, political or other special events, except that use of sound systems on those vehicles may be prohibited by a local authority by ordinance or resolution.

Amended Ch. 538, Stats. 1989. Effective January 1, 1990.

And you'd be surprised at the accuracy of most officers visual estimation abilities.
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:11 PM   #1885
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Is that the same law for city roads?
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So, if you're promoting a song, is that ok? (i.e. advertising)
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I just don't see how sound can be regulated by a measurement of distance. Is this just a rule of thumb or is this how the law puts it? We normally talk at 60dB when traffic runs around 80dB. How can a police officer determine what's 50 feet?


Law puts it at 50 feet. Honestly, estimating distance is something we do everyday for different reasons (crime scene analysis, traffic investigations, etc). Using reference points and training and experience, its easy to figure out 50ft. Worst case, you can always pace it off if you want.

The reality is that 50 ft is not far at all, and most officers won't cite for something you can't hear from at least 100 ft+ away. We aren't looking to target a guy who is just enjoying his music and has it up a little loud, you're looking for the guy that is creating a real disturbance for those around him.

This is acutally one of my favorite cites to write in my patrol area (especially on Sunset Bl with the cruisers)
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Is that the same law for city roads?
The whole state....
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So, if you're promoting a song, is that ok? (i.e. advertising)
This particular section we are referring to (27007) is a vehicle code section, so promoting a song from something other than a vehicle would fall under a different body of law (either Penal or Muni code). If the loud music for advertising purposes is coming from a vehicle, they are subject to citation.
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This particular section we are referring to (27007) is a vehicle code section, so promoting a song from something other than a vehicle would fall under a different body of law (either Penal or Muni code). If the loud music for advertising purposes is coming from a vehicle, they are subject to citation.
I was referring to this..."This section does not apply to the sound systems of vehicles used for advertising"

So, if I'm sporting my e46fanatics.com sticker, would I get a ticket under a different vehicle code section?
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I was referring to this..."This section does not apply to the sound systems of vehicles used for advertising"

So, if I'm sporting my e46fanatics.com sticker, would I get a ticket under a different vehicle code section?
I never even noticed that...I'm assuming there would need to be some sort of permit in place with the local/state government for it to be a legit exemption for that vehicle. My philosophy is to just cite, and if I was wrong, the court will dismiss it later...
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I never even noticed that...I'm assuming there would need to be some sort of permit in place with the local/state government for it to be a legit exemption for that vehicle. My philosophy is to just cite, and if I was wrong, the court will dismiss it later...
Yeah, I'd think that there would have to be a permit. And, even then I'd probably issue the cite, let a judge interpret the law (I just enforce it).
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I never even noticed that...I'm assuming there would need to be some sort of permit in place with the local/state government for it to be a legit exemption for that vehicle. My philosophy is to just cite, and if I was wrong, the court will dismiss it later...
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Yeah, I'd think that there would have to be a permit. And, even then I'd probably issue the cite, let a judge interpret the law (I just enforce it).
I see....yeah, that definitely makes sense. Otherwise, it would be impossible to enforce.

I received a citation for loud music a few years ago. The officer told me that I can play as loud as I want on the freeway (where nobody would get annoyed), but that's about it.
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Law puts it at 50 feet. Honestly, estimating distance is something we do everyday for different reasons (crime scene analysis, traffic investigations, etc). Using reference points and training and experience, its easy to figure out 50ft. Worst case, you can always pace it off if you want.

The reality is that 50 ft is not far at all, and most officers won't cite for something you can't hear from at least 100 ft+ away. We aren't looking to target a guy who is just enjoying his music and has it up a little loud, you're looking for the guy that is creating a real disturbance for those around him.

This is acutally one of my favorite cites to write in my patrol area (especially on Sunset Bl with the cruisers)
it's interesting to note on this topic that harleys make alot of noise too.

i have a system in my car, but i selected the components so that it's nice and loud inside the car. even if i found the most bass-heavy song and cranked it up to max, i couldn't even come close to shaking pavement like others do with thier systems. guess i could still get pulled over if the cop i pass doesn't like what he hears (sorry, but that's how it works in jersey because citizens are mules).
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^^ since we're on the topic of noise and Harley's...additionally I'm thankful for the exhaust on the WRX STI's because it has somehow taken away some unwanted attention from my SS Race exhaust.

I've had my exhaust now close to 6 months and I've pulled alongside numerous officers of various agencies and I don't even get a double-take from them when I start accelerating and leaving them. (Well I make sure I only ever so slightly and slowly depress my accelerator so as not to rattle my exhaust )

About 12 yrs ago, I had a Dynomaxx exhaust on my Eclipse and I was on lane #1 on the fwy cruising at about 75mph and the CHP was on lane #5 and he crossed all the way over behind me and cited me for after-market exhaust. So I installed it since then. That thing was loud.

With the exception of you Joel and OHCM3 (since you know the rasp of an M3) how would the regular officer know that I have an aftermarket exhaust - granted I don't go WOT in his/her presence?
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With the exception of you Joel and OHCM3 (since you know the rasp of an M3) how would the regular officer know that I have an aftermarket exhaust - granted I don't go WOT in his/her presence?
it would depend on a person's common knowledge of what these cars sound like from the factory. it doesn't take rocket science tho....aftermarket is obviously much louder. when i drive my car with the windows rolled down, it sounds loud, but if i spot another M3 and just listen, it's not very loud or obnoxiously annoying....

i think manufacturers are conscious of the output noise their products produce.
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With the exception of you Joel and OHCM3 (since you know the rasp of an M3) how would the regular officer know that I have an aftermarket exhaust - granted I don't go WOT in his/her presence?
All new vehicles are required to be under a certain Db level. That's how most officers tell what's aftermarket. Also anything with bigger exhaust tips is a giveaway to other things being changed. The biggest problem is that there are some officers who THINK that they know cars, but don't. A friend of mine has an Acura TL with one resonator removed. Had a CHP yelling at him for his aftermarket exhaust....
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All new vehicles are required to be under a certain Db level. That's how most officers tell what's aftermarket.........
Generalized question = would you say all officers are acquainted with what the OEM exhaust of all WRX STI's sounds like? So they don't cite them thinking they are aftermarket?
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Generalized question = would you say all officers are acquainted with what the OEM exhaust of all WRX STI's sounds like? So they don't cite them thinking they are aftermarket?
I think a lot of officers don't know the difference and therefore choose to not enforce the section. Me? I know the difference between stock and aftermarket on most cars since I'm a car guy. But not all cops are car people and don't like modified cars, so they hammer them all the time.
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..... But not all cops are car people and don't like modified cars, so they hammer them all the time.
So true man...specially when the STi's first came out, a lot of guys were complaining they were getting pulled over for the exhaust and had to convince the officers that big hole was OEM...hehehehe
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