front speakers upgraded (pic)

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 10:39 AM

Boston pro 6.5 2 way system with tweeters placed in the Oem mirror housing and cross overs in the door panel.

There was a issue concerning if the 6.5 inch speakers would fit a sedan. The answer is YES but you have to use the Boston mess grill. For the oem mess grill the speakers are to deep.

Hans acs did the instal. He removed the oem rings. No cutting the steel door. It was not necesairy

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 10:41 AM

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 10:45 AM

Next week when all goes whell i will receive my Boston RM6 speakers coaxal 2 way system for the rear. I ordered it here from avantyper. It should arrive next week.

For now the speakers are so good you almost dont hear my oem back speakers. Next week i hope that will be resolved

The speakers dont play loud but they sound very high qualety and pure.

A real plesure to listen to

///ACS330Ci · 10-13-2002, 10:55 AM

Sweet! I love Boston Acoustic speakers and would love to upgrade my HK system with 'em. More info please

Chris320d · 10-13-2002, 10:59 AM

nice install

three weeks to go........

greetz,

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:00 AM

For a coupé you can make in fit in the oem housing. No need for the boston mess but sedan have to use the boston mess.

You remove a ring and they should fit with no probs.

Instal by hans acs member of this board. For very détailed questions about the instal better ask him

Vos, Hans
E-mailadres(sen):
hvos@tycoelectronics.com

I have a 4 channel amplifier installed temperally for now. Each channel feeding them 6O watt

///ACS330Ci · 10-13-2002, 11:03 AM

Does Hans sell Boston or did he just do your install? Do you know if he used the Boston crossovers?

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:04 AM

Keep in mind that this is temporalyy solution

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:06 AM

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Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:10 AM

Hans sells nothing. I bought my stuff and he installed. He has no beef with a brand. He just advized me that boston is the way to go for exelent sound qualety.

I am saving now for the soundstream 5 channel tarantula amp and the new soundstream sq rubicon woofer.

Yes he used the Boston cross overs
The amp is 2 years old. It came out of my 52O bimmer. I dont drive it much anymore and the boston sets needs power. The boston speakers can handle 90 watt continiously and 2OO watt piek power (4 ohm). So without amp it would not sound very good. Thats why i took the amp for now to have a nice sound

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:16 AM

Hans took the sound from the rear speakers. Then he went to the amplifier. Then from the amp to the rear speakers and from the amp to the oem cables on the front door. There he connected to the front door.

I still have my oem bmw HU with cd changer

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 11:18 AM

On the ice forum a reply from hans himself about the install
Hans_ACS
E46Fanatic

My Ride: E46 323Ci ACS
Location: Belgium
Posts: 52
Hi , it's me here

I installed the pro driver from the outside. It fitted perfectly on the inside OEM ring, but then the magnet touched the metal part of the door. I noticed that the pro woofer was half an inch to think in order to be able to fit them on the inside.

So I used the boston grille to cover and protest the speaker cone.

Hans

PS; I have a E46 coupe and there fitting was not problem, but I noticed that :

1: The coupe doorpanels are further away from the door than the sedans
2: The ring whcih stays on the doorpanel after you remove the oem speaker, is not so thick as the sedan part. So then the woofer come closer to the panel and further away from the door.

__________________
Freude am Fahren...

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 12:27 PM

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GhostRider · 10-13-2002, 01:03 PM

Thanks pmmeke

! That just the info I was looking for! Nice pics too! Now I just need to find a way to get the tweeter into the OEM midrange location to keep the distance between the drivers as close as possible with the least modification!

mrzed · 10-13-2002, 01:17 PM

sweet dude,say are those scratches near that boston gril ?
now dump that amp and head unit

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 01:22 PM

Your welcome

I will dump it but i dont **** money

It takes time

Yeah kinda dirty

rome5982 · 10-13-2002, 04:39 PM

Pmmeke,

Hi, I talked with Hans and I will be doing the same thing. I just bought a set of 6.5 Boston pro's off Ebay and waiting on them to arrive. I am installing a 4 channel 600 watt amp for the Boston fronts and a JL audio 12W3V2 sub. I have the sedan so your installation ifo is great.

Couple of questions:

You say that Hans took the sound from the rear speakers, then fed to the new amp, then from the amp to the pro crossovers. But isnt the sound going to the rear speakers already crossovered at a low pass frequency from the stock amplifier?
Also, I was planning to use the individual speaker wires already going fom the stock amp to the tweeters and front woofers seperately so I can mount the crossovers in the trunk (easier access for for any adjustments).

I already installed 6.5 JL audio evolution coax speakers in the rear for filler, and planed to use the stock amplifier to power these. But the signal is definately low passed and so I only get low frequencies instead of a mid range. I am looking into the possibility of changing these crossover settings internal to the stock amp. But it may be more trouble than it is worth.

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 04:47 PM

Intresting question. Hans would probably be able to tell you something more about that but

I dont think i have a oem amplifier. I have a oem bmw HU brand philips and a cd changer in the trunk brand alpine and my set up as i understand only has a HU that produces 4 X 2O watt going to the oem speakers without a extra amp. I searched but i cant find a amp so i think this is a euro thing of my 316 series. I think maby a 32O or hk system has a extra amp but not my oem system.

I dont think my system has a low band thing. But i am not a expert. Talk to hans

On a note: this is temperaly until i have my new amp and i also plan to , when i build the trunk, to connect new cables to the hu. Later i will buy a new hu to.

So for now i cant use the fader on my bmw oem to steer the front back speakers (have more or less power the rear of front speakers)

MCD007 · 10-13-2002, 04:51 PM

Wow i didnt know Grundig made car amplifiers...

How does the amp sound?

Pmmeke · 10-13-2002, 04:54 PM

whell i never had a 1OOO dollar amp like the tarantula so i dont know the difference yet between that and my old gundig

I hope the extra 8OO dollars make a difference and they will sound even better

Of course this tarantula has a extra channel 4OO watt for the woofer rubicon sq 12

But all in all i think my system now sounds great conseidering i dont have a big woofer and the rear speakers arent upgraded yet

grundig is a class a/b amp

10-13-2002, 10:39 AM	#1
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	front speakers upgraded (pic) Boston pro 6.5 2 way system with tweeters placed in the Oem mirror housing and cross overs in the door panel. There was a issue concerning if the 6.5 inch speakers would fit a sedan. The answer is YES but you have to use the Boston mess grill. For the oem mess grill the speakers are to deep. Hans acs did the instal. He removed the oem rings. No cutting the steel door. It was not necesairy __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 10:41 AM	#2
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	tweeter tweet __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 10:45 AM	#3
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	next week Next week when all goes whell i will receive my Boston RM6 speakers coaxal 2 way system for the rear. I ordered it here from avantyper. It should arrive next week. For now the speakers are so good you almost dont hear my oem back speakers. Next week i hope that will be resolved The speakers dont play loud but they sound very high qualety and pure. A real plesure to listen to __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 10:55 AM	#4
///ACS330Ci Artist formerly k/a Steve Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,861 My Ride: ACS/M-Technik 330Ci View My Garage	Sweet! I love Boston Acoustic speakers and would love to upgrade my HK system with 'em. More info please __________________ Checkout Project HyperWorksMCS HERE View My Other Automotive Project HERE

10-13-2002, 10:59 AM	#5
Chris320d Registered User Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 940 My Ride: 320d M-Tech II View My Garage	nice install three weeks to go........ greetz, __________________ old versus new

10-13-2002, 11:00 AM	#6
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	More info For a coupé you can make in fit in the oem housing. No need for the boston mess but sedan have to use the boston mess. You remove a ring and they should fit with no probs. Instal by hans acs member of this board. For very détailed questions about the instal better ask him Vos, Hans E-mailadres(sen): hvos@tycoelectronics.com I have a 4 channel amplifier installed temperally for now. Each channel feeding them 6O watt __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 11:03 AM	#7
///ACS330Ci Artist formerly k/a Steve Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,861 My Ride: ACS/M-Technik 330Ci View My Garage	Does Hans sell Boston or did he just do your install? Do you know if he used the Boston crossovers? __________________ Checkout Project HyperWorksMCS HERE View My Other Automotive Project HERE

10-13-2002, 11:04 AM	#8
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	amplifier Keep in mind that this is temporalyy solution __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 11:06 AM	#9
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	a a __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 11:10 AM	#10
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	i bought Hans sells nothing. I bought my stuff and he installed. He has no beef with a brand. He just advized me that boston is the way to go for exelent sound qualety. I am saving now for the soundstream 5 channel tarantula amp and the new soundstream sq rubicon woofer. Yes he used the Boston cross overs The amp is 2 years old. It came out of my 52O bimmer. I dont drive it much anymore and the boston sets needs power. The boston speakers can handle 90 watt continiously and 2OO watt piek power (4 ohm). So without amp it would not sound very good. Thats why i took the amp for now to have a nice sound __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER] Last edited by Pmmeke; 10-13-2002 at 11:14 AM.

10-13-2002, 11:16 AM	#11
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	wiring Hans took the sound from the rear speakers. Then he went to the amplifier. Then from the amp to the rear speakers and from the amp to the oem cables on the front door. There he connected to the front door. I still have my oem bmw HU with cd changer __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 11:18 AM	#12
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	hans acs answered some questions On the ice forum a reply from hans himself about the install Hans_ACS E46Fanatic My Ride: E46 323Ci ACS Location: Belgium Posts: 52 Hi , it's me here I installed the pro driver from the outside. It fitted perfectly on the inside OEM ring, but then the magnet touched the metal part of the door. I noticed that the pro woofer was half an inch to think in order to be able to fit them on the inside. So I used the boston grille to cover and protest the speaker cone. Hans PS; I have a E46 coupe and there fitting was not problem, but I noticed that : 1: The coupe doorpanels are further away from the door than the sedans 2: The ring whcih stays on the doorpanel after you remove the oem speaker, is not so thick as the sedan part. So then the woofer come closer to the panel and further away from the door. __________________ Freude am Fahren... __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 12:27 PM	#13
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	the speakers a __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 01:03 PM	#14
GhostRider ...and I'd be all shiny.. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Norman, Oklahoma Posts: 1,838 My Ride: 2001 Dinan 3, 5sp View My Garage	Thanks pmmeke ! That just the info I was looking for! Nice pics too! Now I just need to find a way to get the tweeter into the OEM midrange location to keep the distance between the drivers as close as possible with the least modification! __________________ For Sale: For all E36 including M3, New in box UUC Stage 2 Lightweight Flywheel with Sachs Power Clutch

10-13-2002, 01:17 PM	#15
mrzed Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 306 My Ride: X5 View My Garage	sweet dude,say are those scratches near that boston gril ? now dump that amp and head unit

10-13-2002, 01:22 PM	#16
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	a Your welcome I will dump it but i dont ** money It takes time Yeah kinda dirty __________________ :: Euro**projektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER]

10-13-2002, 04:39 PM	#17
rome5982 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 454 My Ride: 99 323i View My Garage	Pmmeke, Hi, I talked with Hans and I will be doing the same thing. I just bought a set of 6.5 Boston pro's off Ebay and waiting on them to arrive. I am installing a 4 channel 600 watt amp for the Boston fronts and a JL audio 12W3V2 sub. I have the sedan so your installation ifo is great. Couple of questions: You say that Hans took the sound from the rear speakers, then fed to the new amp, then from the amp to the pro crossovers. But isnt the sound going to the rear speakers already crossovered at a low pass frequency from the stock amplifier? Also, I was planning to use the individual speaker wires already going fom the stock amp to the tweeters and front woofers seperately so I can mount the crossovers in the trunk (easier access for for any adjustments). I already installed 6.5 JL audio evolution coax speakers in the rear for filler, and planed to use the stock amplifier to power these. But the signal is definately low passed and so I only get low frequencies instead of a mid range. I am looking into the possibility of changing these crossover settings internal to the stock amp. But it may be more trouble than it is worth. __________________ 18"ASA AR1/H&R CupKit/ECIS CAI/Stromung Exhaust/Zimmerman Rotors/Aluminum Interior Trim & Face Gauges/G2 Calipers/Clear Corners/Autometer Gauges/Mtech Front Bumper/Chrome Grill/UUC Shift Knob/OEM Rear Spoiler/Painted Moldings/Silver Gauge Rings/JL Audio 12W3V2 & 6.5 Coax/BA 6.5 ProSeries/Kicker KX600.4

10-13-2002, 04:47 PM	#18
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	well Intresting question. Hans would probably be able to tell you something more about that but I dont think i have a oem amplifier. I have a oem bmw HU brand philips and a cd changer in the trunk brand alpine and my set up as i understand only has a HU that produces 4 X 2O watt going to the oem speakers without a extra amp. I searched but i cant find a amp so i think this is a euro thing of my 316 series. I think maby a 32O or hk system has a extra amp but not my oem system. I dont think my system has a low band thing. But i am not a expert. Talk to hans On a note: this is temperaly until i have my new amp and i also plan to , when i build the trunk, to connect new cables to the hu. Later i will buy a new hu to. So for now i cant use the fader on my bmw oem to steer the front back speakers (have more or less power the rear of front speakers) __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER] Last edited by Pmmeke; 10-13-2002 at 04:52 PM.

10-13-2002, 04:51 PM	#19
MCD007 Im The Man Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Sunnyvale, CA Posts: 1,191 My Ride: 325ci View My Garage	Wow i didnt know Grundig made car amplifiers... How does the amp sound? __________________

10-13-2002, 04:54 PM	#20
Pmmeke modder fokker Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: Belgium Posts: 6,513 My Ride: E46/E92M3/E60 525d View My Garage	whell whell i never had a 1OOO dollar amp like the tarantula so i dont know the difference yet between that and my old gundig I hope the extra 8OO dollars make a difference and they will sound even better Of course this tarantula has a extra channel 4OO watt for the woofer rubicon sq 12 But all in all i think my system now sounds great conseidering i dont have a big woofer and the rear speakers arent upgraded yet grundig is a class a/b amp __________________ :: Europrojektz - Belgian Chapter :: http://europrojektz-world.com :: http://europrojektz.be[/CENTER] Last edited by Pmmeke; 10-13-2002 at 04:56 PM.

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