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Old 06-07-2006, 01:58 AM   #21
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Why the hell would I want to do something when I can have it done for me? Having an auto is a luxury.
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Old 06-07-2006, 01:58 AM   #22
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you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


You're just bitter because you have to yank a knob every day.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:01 AM   #23
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You're just bitter because you have to yank a knob every day.
yeah and thats cause my 330 is auto shows how much you know.

if you honestly believe what you said in that post i dont need to waste my time explaining anything to you.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:11 AM   #24
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Manual vs Auto

It's all about preference. A lot of people drive automatics because they are constantly in traffic. I drive stick because I think it's fun. Both are still great cars. Also, to clarify, the new M3 will be offered with a 6 speed manual transmission, not automatic.
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Old 06-07-2006, 02:13 AM   #25
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yeah and thats cause my 330 is auto shows how much you know.

if you honestly believe what you said in that post i dont need to waste my time explaining anything to you.
What percentage of 500+ HP cars (stock) are manual? What percentage of race cars are manual?

I used to have the same mindset as you. Then I learned the facts.
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What percentage of 500+ HP cars (stock) are manual? What percentage of race cars are manual?

I used to have the same mindset as you. Then I learned the facts.
yeah i know the percentages off the top of my head.

most of the cars you are thinking of as "auto" arent even automatic transmissions. meaning they dont use a torque converter but still a clutch which is electronicly controlled.

that being said, WRC cars are MANUAL, F1 cars are MANUAL, any GT or Daytona prototype race cars are MANUAL, NASCARs are MANUAL, i guess you dont consider those race cars then
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yeah i know the percentages off the top of my head.

most of the cars you are thinking of as "auto" arent even automatic transmissions. meaning they dont use a torque converter but still a clutch which is electronicly controlled.

that being said, WRC cars are MANUAL, F1 cars are MANUAL, any GT or Daytona prototype race cars are MANUAL, NASCARs are MANUAL, i guess you dont consider those race cars then
Man if you acually think auto is better for performance than stick, then you have a problem. There is no beef owning and auto car, they are great, comrfortable, and allow you to multi task. But autos are not aster shifts, or allow you to launch as well as the traditional stick shift
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yeah i know the percentages off the top of my head.

most of the cars you are thinking of as "auto" arent even automatic transmissions. meaning they dont use a torque converter but still a clutch which is electronicly controlled.

that being said, WRC cars are MANUAL, F1 cars are MANUAL, any GT or Daytona prototype race cars are MANUAL, NASCARs are MANUAL, i guess you dont consider those race cars then
Good job, you named four types of race cars out of dozens of types. I guess you don't consider drag racing (HUGE chunk of racing), tons of touring car series, etc......to be races, then.

Seriously.....if somenone enjoys playing with a knob in their car, then that's their choice. But I'm just talking about facts here...it's a FACT that higher-horsepower cars perform better with automatic transmissions.



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Man if you acually think auto is better for performance than stick, then you have a problem. There is no beef owning and auto car, they are great, comrfortable, and allow you to multi task. But autos are not aster shifts, or allow you to launch as well as the traditional stick shift
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I might be talking outta me ass, but isnt the z8 stick shift, and only the alpina z8 comes auto?
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I might be talking outta me ass, but isnt the z8 stick shift, and only the alpina z8 comes auto?
Yes, but that is the Alpina.
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Yes, but that is the Alpina.
Wasnt the alpina z8 ment to more of a cruser than a performance car? Hell wasnt the z8 ment to be more of a crusier?
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Wasnt the alpina z8 ment to more of a cruser than a performance car? Hell wasnt the z8 ment to be more of a crusier?
The Veyron is arguably a cruiser. Doesn't change the power output.
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Isnt this a high performance, high horsepower car, and guess what it is stick.

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1001 HP isn't high performance?
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The Veyron is arguably a cruiser. Doesn't change the power output.
Exactly the point, the two cars you pointed out are more crusiers than race cars. Regardless of the power output. For racing, or high performance manual is better.
1001 hp is high performace, but really how many of those cars are going to see the track. The dont handle too well, they have to much power. The peole purchasing those cars are not looking as much for performance.

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Good job, you named four types of race cars out of dozens of types. I guess you don't consider drag racing (HUGE chunk of racing), tons of touring car series, etc......to be races, then.

Seriously.....if somenone enjoys playing with a knob in their car, then that's their choice. But I'm just talking about facts here...it's a FACT that higher-horsepower cars perform better with automatic transmissions.



dude you could not be more wrong, ok autos are better for drag ill give you that but that is it.

touring car series do NOT use automatics, show me one touring car that has a torque converter.

and BOTH of the cars in those pictures support my point of view more then yours. the bugatti, just so you know, uses a DSG similar to that of audi's. guess what, thats a manual, its got clutches. and the z8 is known to perform better then the alpina, the alpina is just about its exclusivity and rarity.
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These are automatics and DEFINITELY are performance cars:



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dude you still dont get it, those are NOT automatic. they are electronically controlled manual transmissions. THEY HAVE CLUTCHES NOT TORQUE CONVERTERS THAT MAKES THEM MANUAL.
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I've driven an automatic since the first time I drove a car. To be quite honest, it's boring. Anyone can drive an automatic. There's no thought process at all. The first manual car I have ever owned is the one I have now. It is by far more fun to drive. I feel like I have more control over how the car reacts in different situatons as opposed to just mashing the gas, and waiting for the car to speed up. I'm not knocking automatics, Heck, I'll probably go back to driving one when I'm like 60 or something. As for now. 6 speed manuals are the best by far. Living In Germany, The manual has a huge advantage. Yeah, the gas mileage plays a huge part, but autos have no place on the Auto Baun. They get run over from not being able to keep up with the ever changing speed.
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