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Old 06-07-2006, 03:05 AM   #41
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Old 06-07-2006, 03:06 AM   #42
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I've driven an automatic since the first time I drove a car. To be quite honest, it's boring. Anyone can drive an automatic. There's no thought process at all. The first manual car I have ever owned is the one I have now. It is by far more fun to drive. I feel like I have more control over how the car reacts in different situatons as opposed to just mashing the gas, and waiting for the car to speed up. I'm not knocking automatics, Heck, I'll probably go back to driving one when I'm like 60 or something. As for now. 6 speed manuals are the best by far. Living In Germany, The manual has a huge advantage. Yeah, the gas mileage plays a huge part, but autos have no place on the Auto Baun. They get run over from not being able to keep up with the ever changing speed.
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Old 06-07-2006, 03:16 AM   #43
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oh you had to revert to the benz, ill give you that one with the drag racing thing but thats all you got.

this is the last ill post in this thread because im sure ill never get through.

the cars that you consider automatic are not automatic. just because they can shift for you and do not have a clutch pedal does not make them automatic. the difference between a manual and automatic is that a manual has a clutch and autos have torque converters. manuals will always be superior do to the fact that the mechanical linkage between the engine and wheels suffers less drivetrain loss then an auto with a torque converter.

do some research kid, im sure you think you are right but you are just ignorrant (no offense intended)
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Old 06-07-2006, 03:45 AM   #44
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Anyone who buys a BMW with an automatic has no business owning or driving the car in the first place.
wow, i usually like to be a bystander in these types of discussions, but i just can't stand your ignorance and arrogance.
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Old 06-07-2006, 04:26 AM   #45
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i drive an auto and i'm damn proud of it
its more pratical for me to drive auto, stop n go traffic, needing to pick up cell fone, drinking, etc...
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Old 06-07-2006, 04:39 AM   #46
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manuals will always be superior do to the fact that the mechanical linkage between the engine and wheels suffers less drivetrain loss then an auto with a torque converter.
Exactly right. Give up djmatty. All the supercars you have listed have a transmission thats much closer to an SMG than to a traditional automatic.
Here's a lesson. People here call them slushboxes for a reason. Not to say that there's anything wrong with an automatic. It's more practical, but some people don't like the idea of paying more money to lose some performance in exchange for convenience. To get the true potential out of a car, you need direct mechanical linkage. The cheapest way to do that is with a manual transmission.

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Old 06-07-2006, 05:01 AM   #47
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manual is old news

its SMG Now
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:24 AM   #48
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SMG/SMG-esque transmissions (electronically controlled manuals) > *
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:17 AM   #49
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i drive an auto and i'm damn proud of it
its more pratical for me to drive auto, stop n go traffic, needing to pick up cell fone, drinking, etc...
What the hell is with kids these days not actually wanting to DRIVE their cars? They're blowing up on their damn cell phones, drinking, eating, otherwise doing everything but enjoying the driving experience. Just go buy a Toyota Yaris already. Automatics are convenient and a great luxury, but I don't know if I'd be PROUD to drive an auto...

As for the guy who said autos have less parasitic loss than manuals... You still need to learn your facts. Why do you think manuals get better gas mileage than automatics?
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:51 AM   #50
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Anyone who tries to justify a manual by saying it helps their ADD while driving...err...is sporty doesn't understand that it's useless 99.9% of the time they drive.

Btw, all REAL sports cars have autos...automatic transmissions are faster than manuals once you get to a certain point of power, since the parasitic loss isn't as great as the loss due to how much longer it takes you to shift.

So, basically, if you have a manual, it's not "sporty", it only indicates that you either 1) have an underpowered car, or 2) are trying to save money by getting the cheaper transmission that saves a small bit of money on gas.

Yeah real sports car have autos hahahahahahah. So you and my girlfriend can post the same times. Just mash a pedal who wants the involvment
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:52 AM   #51
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wow, I don't care if you buy a manual or an auto, I am just glad the BMW gives you the choice when so many other cars in the same class do not. I personally prefer an manual.
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Old 06-07-2006, 08:10 AM   #52
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Although at the moment I have 2 automatics which are mainly used as commuters, I've owned several manuals. Each has their pros/cons, but in a pure sports car I would only ever get manual/SMG. The CLK DTM may be the 1 exception to that rule, and I would like it even more if it was SMG.

SMGs will most likely be the transmission of choice, as it becomes faster and smoother (it is already heading in that direction). IMO, the standard manual will be more of a nostalgic feature. I have raced formula dodge cars with a standard unsynchronized 4 speed. It really gets you involved into what is going on with the car, as double declutching is mandatory for downshifts. However, it is also much harder and less efficient than simply flicking two paddles.
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Old 06-07-2006, 09:56 AM   #53
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wow, I don't care if you buy a manual or an auto, I am just glad the BMW gives you the choice when so many other cars in the same class do not. I personally prefer an manual.

well put.. AMG's only give the speedshift choice..
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:02 AM   #54
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Anyone who buys a BMW with an automatic has no business owning or driving the car in the first place.
Lame.
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Old 06-07-2006, 10:06 AM   #55
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Hey guys,

I found this in this months magazine...no manual?

Sorry for the picture quality. The picture is a camoflagued E90 sedan for sure so the picture quality doesn't matter too much. But the text was interesting. My camera phone sucks indoors!!

Much like the new ///M5 & ///M6, BMW will offer a traditional manual a year later.
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Old 06-07-2006, 11:01 AM   #57
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why did this have to become an auto vs manual debate???? but since it is, here goes. I like stick better because:

1. I pay attention to driving and to driving only, no phones, no food, no distractions.
2. The launches are better and I can downshit when I want to (yea the steps are nice but the downshifts take longer to respond to your input)
3. I can down shift very nicely while coming to a stop. Since I live in a hilly area this is great because if I had an auto my brakes would be gone so damn fast.
4. I can leave it in a lower gear accelerating kind of slowly to about 4k rpm and then punch it to redline and let tha vanos work it's magic without having to downshit.
5. I actually get to kick a pedal when I shift. Whenever I drive the steps I find myself kicking at the floor of the car, lol.

I am not saying this can't be done in a step or smg, the latter of which it would be very easy to do in. But the steps are just dogs for these cars and aren't they made by GM in a french factory too?? Now all this being said, go read the tests even the SMGs are a tad slower than the BMW sticks due to therir launch procedures. the BMW autos just aren't up to the performance levels of MB/Audi/Porsche autos yet, not to mention the Ferrari and lambo autos. After all BMWs slogan is Freude am Fahren- "joy in driving or joy to drive" or in the US the "Ultimate Driving Machine" IE not the ultimate performance machine, so I think that slogan would involve some actual driving done by the driver???!!?
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Old 06-07-2006, 03:35 PM   #58
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damn, EXACTLY what i was gonna say lol
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This has turned into an Auto v. Manual Battle, While i drive Auto, Manual is better for performance, u can launch a pure manual, u cannot launch an Auto or SMG
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Actually you can launch SMG, it does it automatically and pretty well.
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Actually you can launch SMG, it does it automatically and pretty well.
ive used my friends SMG launch Control and it sucks, it revs up to 1800 and dumps the clutch, not smooth at all, and it doesnt seem to improve the launch by that much
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