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Old 10-03-2007, 12:19 AM   #1201
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Tom, this is what I was talking about in the other thread (plus the clicking sounds others have reported above. Those are exactly the problems I had with the original unit). Does the DICE kit come with this built in now since you said it should not give alternator noise?
The number of posts is a bit one-sided.

The forums represent a small number of the kits that are out on the market, with specific issues being brought up for discussion. With a perfectly working system - there's nothing to post. Not all kits experience this behavior and it can be contributed to a number of issues like EFI, improper installation, loose connection, damaged harness or a defective module.

If you feel the module is the culprit, contact me via phone or email and we'll be happy to have your system tested to see if this is the issue, or if you need to go further within your BMW for diagnosis.
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Tom -
Im getting a lot of static through my DICE lately.
There is ALWAYS clicking and and humming coming through when I listen to my iPod, but if i change over to an in-dash cd or the radio the sound is crystal clear.

Any ideas?
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:14 AM   #1203
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The number of posts is a bit one-sided.

The forums represent a small number of the kits that are out on the market, with specific issues being brought up for discussion. With a perfectly working system - there's nothing to post. Not all kits experience this behavior and it can be contributed to a number of issues like EFI, improper installation, loose connection, damaged harness or a defective module.

If you feel the module is the culprit, contact me via phone or email and we'll be happy to have your system tested to see if this is the issue, or if you need to go further within your BMW for diagnosis.
Tom, I do not have a DICE yet. It appears to suffer from the same alternator noise problem (given the folks who posted on this thread) that previous product had (what was it called, Icelink?). My car is stock and has a factory installed CD changer. No alternator noise with the CD changer, but with Icelink it had very bad alternator noise. So in my opinion it should come with a built in noise filter (as part of the product or the cable harness), at least optionally.
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Im getting a lot of static through my DICE lately.
There is ALWAYS clicking and and humming coming through when I listen to my iPod, but if i change over to an in-dash cd or the radio the sound is crystal clear.

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Likely this is from other devices from the vehicle or the trunk harness is next to power lines, try relocating the trunk harness to another area in the vehicle to correct the issue.
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Tom, I do not have a DICE yet. It appears to suffer from the same alternator noise problem (given the folks who posted on this thread) that previous product had (what was it called, Icelink?). My car is stock and has a factory installed CD changer. No alternator noise with the CD changer, but with Icelink it had very bad alternator noise. So in my opinion it should come with a built in noise filter (as part of the product or the cable harness), at least optionally.
A noise filter should not be the "solution" to an engine noise issue if experienced but used if all other steps have been exhausted. You should first retrace your steps and see if the cable is next to any other devices where it can be picking up the noise (aftermarket devices, amps, etc). Rerouting the cable most times corrects the issue.

There is no reason for a noise filter or ground loop isolator if the install is performed properly in the first place. The purpose of this thread is a Q/A session and to troubleshoot specific issues if they should arise.
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Im getting a lot of static through my DICE lately.
There is ALWAYS clicking and and humming coming through when I listen to my iPod, but if i change over to an in-dash cd or the radio the sound is crystal clear.

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Same here. I have moved the unit, checked the wires, and still nothing. All I get is this horrible static noise in the background while playing my music that just started out of nowhere a few weeks ago. Up until then, it worked fine...

Tom, I just got the ipod touch. I saw a post of yours in another thread a couple days ago saying that the dice kit worked fine with the touch. I went and tried plugging my touch in earlier this morning in place of my nano, and although I got the touch to play out of the radio, I could only control it through the actual touch. None of the steering wheel controls worked, and when I changed the song on the touch, the song title; album;artist info wouldn't change on the radio. It would always just read the info from the first song it played.
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Same here. I have moved the unit, checked the wires, and still nothing. All I get is this horrible static noise in the background while playing my music that jsut started out of nowhere.

Tom, I just got the ipod touch. I saw a post of yours in another thread a couple days ago saying that the dice kit worked fine with the touch. I went and tried plugging my touch in earlier this morning in place of my nano, and although I got the touch to play out of the radio, I could only control it through the actual touch. None of the steering wheel controls worked, and when I changed the song on the touch, the song title; album;artist info wouldn't changed on the radio. It would always just read the info from the first song it played.
The touch works with the DICE, but you do not get touchscreen operation while connected. If you want to browse the iPod commands of the touch while connected, perform the following steps:

1. Connect touch
2. When iPhone asks to go into accessory mode, press NO or wait for several seconds
3. Press the HOME button for +7 seconds
4. Navigate through touch like normal.

One caveat, you will not have proper text display or steering wheel/radio control in this mode. To return to normal, disconnect/reconnect the touch.
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A noise filter should not be the "solution" to an engine noise issue if experienced but used if all other steps have been exhausted. You should first retrace your steps and see if the cable is next to any other devices where it can be picking up the noise (aftermarket devices, amps, etc). Rerouting the cable most times corrects the issue.

There is no reason for a noise filter or ground loop isolator if the install is performed properly in the first place. The purpose of this thread is a Q/A session and to troubleshoot specific issues if they should arise.
Tom, what are all other steps? You have suggested the filter to a number of people on these threads. I could not find any posts that claimed the filter fixed the problem for them.

I did find this page, a 540 driver had the same issue and was able to route the cable to get rid of the noise (he had to do alot more work, including having to remove the front seat to fit it):

http://www.gunsmoke.com/cars/540i/dice/index.html

But I do not have time to do the same thing on my 2002 330Ci. If you have a sure way to make it work without the noise problem I'd order it in a heart beat.
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Tom, what are all other steps? You have suggested the filter to a number of people on these threads. I could not find any posts that claimed the filter fixed the problem for them.

I did find this page, a 540 driver had the same issue and was able to route the cable to get rid of the noise (he had to do alot more work, including having to remove the front seat to fit it):

http://www.gunsmoke.com/cars/540i/dice/index.html

But I do not have time to do the same thing on my 2002 330Ci. If you have a sure way to make it work without the noise problem I'd order it in a heart beat.
You're being overly paranoid - especially since you have not even ordered a kit yet. Most cases do not need a noise filter if the installation is performed properly. Since only specific issues are brought up - the issues are a bit one-sided. With a perfectly working kit - there's no questions to ask. If you are unsure - have a professional installer install the kit for you - they have the experience and know-how to troubleshoot on the spot if needed.

The purpose of this thread is a Q/A session and not meant to grade a product.
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You're being overly paranoid - especially since you have not even ordered a kit yet. Most cases do not need a noise filter if the installation is performed properly. Since only specific issues are brought up - the issues are a bit one-sided. With a perfectly working kit - there's no questions to ask. If you are unsure - have a professional installer install the kit for you - they have the experience and know-how to troubleshoot on the spot if needed.

The purpose of this thread is a Q/A session and not meant to grade a product.
Tom, as I said in one of these threads, I did order the Icelink and tried it. I got the alternator noise and some other issues I cannot recall. After trying out a few things I got nowhere with it, so I returned it.

I am not following your point on 'one-sided' argument. There are many others who have reported the same noise and you suggested they use the filter (you said "some BMWs are more susceptible to alternator noise than others" or some such). I am not making this up. I want it to work. I just do not have the time to debug it.

So what is the 'proper' installation? Can you explain what kind of installation mistake would cause this noise? I do not want to be in a position where after spending a few hours I have the noise problem and I have to spend more time trying to get rid of it. And I cannot solve it I have to send it back and pay for shipping.
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Tom, as I said in one of these threads, I did order the Icelink and tried it. I got the alternator noise and some other issues I cannot recall. After trying out a few things I got nowhere with it, so I returned it.

I am not following your point on 'one-sided' argument. There are many others who have reported the same noise and you suggested they use the filter (you said "some BMWs are more susceptible to alternator noise than others" or some such). I am not making this up. I want it to work. I just do not have the time to debug it.

So what is the 'proper' installation? Can you explain what kind of installation mistake would cause this noise? I do not want to be in a position where after spending a few hours I have the noise problem and I have to spend more time trying to get rid of it. And I cannot solve it I have to send it back and pay for shipping.
Proper installation instructions are here: http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...nter/index.php. If followed correctly, you will not have engine noise.

As for "debugging" there is not a kit installed in your car yet - there's nothing to debug.
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Proper installation instructions are here: http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...nter/index.php. If followed correctly, you will not have engine noise.
My installation was done properly by following the installation tutorial on your site. As I posted earlier in an email I sent you Tom, the kit worked flawlessly up until a few weeks ago when the static noise comes on at random times. I've tried relocating the unit and checking the wires, but nothing has changed. I just have a hard time spending more money (granted the noise filter is cheap) on another part if it isn't going to do anything to resolve the problem. Why am I suspicious that t won't do anything to resolve the problem if I haven't even ordered it yet? Well, out of all the people that you have suggested to order the noise filter, I have not seen any report back with an update on whether or not it resolved issue.

I just want to enjoy my music again
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My installation was done properly by following the installation tutorial on your site. As I posted earlier in an email I sent you Tom, the kit worked flawlessly up until a few weeks ago when the static noise comes on at random times. I've tried relocating the unit and checking the wires, but nothing has changed. I just have a hard time spending more money (granted the noise filter is cheap) on another part if it isn't going to do anything to resolve the problem. Why am I suspicious that t won't do anything to resolve the problem if I haven't even ordered it yet? Well, out of all the people that you have suggested to order the noise filter, I have not seen any report back with an update on whether or not it resolved issue.

I just want to enjoy my music again
That's just the issue - most times the GLI (ground loop isolator/noise filter) works and we never hear back from the user, some do follow up with success. Without us being physically there to troubleshoot your BMW, we can only work from the specific description that is given to us - we've chosen to do this on an open forum in hopes that others can see what steps were followed using a simple search.

First step is always to relocate the cable and/or DICE module to another area in the vehicle to see if the noise is diminished or eliminated. If the source of the engine noise cannot be found - use the GLI.
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Proper installation instructions are here: http://www.europeanautosource.com/su...nter/index.php. If followed correctly, you will not have engine noise.
This guy's experience says otherwise. May be there are other also.
I had the same issue with Icelink. It was properly installed and I got the alternator noise.

http://www.gunsmoke.com/cars/540i/dice/index.html

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As for "debugging" there is not a kit installed in your car yet - there's nothing to debug.
I was talking about 'if' I get and it and spend time installing it then I do not have time to debug it.

Bottom line, I am not convinced DICE is any better in terms of alternator noise issue. And you have not done or said anything to convince me otherwise. So I'll stay with my CD changer.
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We're not here to convince - only educate and offer assistance. Let me know if you change your mind in the near future.
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OK, I installed the DICE in my 2004 330Ci (which by the way plays MP3s on the CD player even though it shouldn't). The sound is great but the software keeps crashing. If the iPod wheel is touched all controls and data on the radio are lost. Still can control it from the iPod but it stays at same song on radio screen. Only way to fix this is diconnect the iPod and run through INIT screens. Kind of a pain while driving. What did I install wrong or is this a problem with the Nano?

Also, just a minor gripe. Paid for 2nd day air but never told items were back-ordered. Told when they come in they will be sent 2nd day air....too late at that point. Should have said they were not available at purchase point. And hey Tom what's with the attitude on the phone and not calling back. Makes me think I made a mistake not ordering from the forum sponsor....
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OK, I installed the DICE in my 2004 330Ci (which by the way plays MP3s on the CD player even though it shouldn't). The sound is great but the software keeps crashing. If the iPod wheel is touched all controls and data on the radio are lost. Still can control it from the iPod but it stays at same song on radio screen. Only way to fix this is diconnect the iPod and run through INIT screens. Kind of a pain while driving. What did I install wrong or is this a problem with the Nano?

Also, just a minor gripe. Paid for 2nd day air but never told items were back-ordered. Told when they come in they will be sent 2nd day air....too late at that point. Should have said they were not available at purchase point. And hey Tom what's with the attitude on the phone and not calling back. Makes me think I made a mistake not ordering from the forum sponsor....
Typically all orders are shipped same day when in stock, the DICE kits were out for 2 days last week do to a wait on the PCB boards - we have since been restocked and are back on schedule.

It sounds like either the nano was connected while powering up, or the battery cables were not disconnected when the installation was performed.

Perform the following steps and make sure all DIP switches in the module are in the UP position:

1. Disconnect iPod from cable
2. Remove battery cables, negative first
3. Touch battery cable terminals together (away from battery) for +5 seconds, a small spark is normal as this is stored power draining from the system.
4. Allow cables to remain disconnected for about 5-7 minutes
5. Reconnect battery cables onto battery, negative last.
6. Reboot iPod by pressing on MENU and CENTER buttons for +5 seconds and then reconnecting to the DICE cable after the reboot process is completed.

Let me know if these steps correct the problem
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Will try the procedure. But I remember asking specifically about the battery and you said (kind of snippy) just do what the instructions with the circuit breakers.

I realize this is a firmware/software nightmare in order to get the iPod to do sll you are trying thru a CD port, just keep us up to speed and get rid of those bad instructions that come in the box.
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Will try the procedure. But I remember asking specifically about the battery and you said (kind of snippy) just do what the instructions with the circuit breakers.

I realize this is a firmware/software nightmare in order to get the iPod to do sll you are trying thru a CD port, just keep us up to speed and get rid of those bad instructions that come in the box.
I don't rememebr the phone call, but if this is the impression you got - I apologize. We do get a lot of calls each day. If you have any questions on the kit, feel free to call or email me directly.
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Is there any sort of DIP switch configuration on the HD Dice unit to get it to not take control of the iPhone and just allow control from the iPhone itself? I've read that on the Dice iPod unit, switching the two dip switches to off allows this, but I didn't know if the HD unit had anything equivalent. I've tried the "home for 7+ seconds" workaround, and it only works some of the time for whatever reason (the rest of the time, it just goes back to the home screen after 7 seconds and then still shows "Accessory Attached".

Also, any word on the "stealth" antenna that has been reportedly in development for the HD Dice units?

Thanks for the direct feedback you've been giving!
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