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Old 09-06-2006, 08:42 PM   #1
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Exclamation Wheel spacers: A safety concern?

I recently had a local tire shop repair a puncture on a tire, along with a tire rotation. Upon arrival, I was informed they could not reinstall the Rogue Engineering 10mm spacers I had previously mounted in the rear. When asked why, they responded with (in summary), "The lugbolts have a higher risk to unloosen when using wheel spacers. If wheel spacers are required, you must use wheel spacers that bolt onto your hub. We cannot re-mount these spacers for you."

Fortunately, I keep on hand my spare set of OEM lugbolts and had them set my spacers and extended lugbolts aside so they could finish mounting my rear wheels.

I'm planning to remount the RE 10mm spacers in my rear and it's purely for asthetic appeal presenting an image a wider track. Should I be concerned with safety issues using wheel spacers?
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:19 AM   #2
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I've got to call BS.....Rogue Engineering sells these extended lug bolts with thier spacers.I highly doubt they would be doing this if there was a saftey concern. I also run these spacers on my car for the same reason you do and I check my lug bolt torque often and they have never been loose.
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:32 AM   #3
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I had a 4Runner which saw occasional off-road use and it was recommended to fit a 'proper' rim for this application, no hubcentrics or spacers, due to increased 'abuse'.. I stay away from wheel spacers/hubcentrics because I buy a rim for 'performance' and function as well as aesthetics. I push my car hard sometimes and I feel much more comfortable w/o them. Is this a valid concern? Please feel free to speak up!!
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:09 AM   #4
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If you feel more comfortable without them then thats great but I would challenge anyone to prove that these are unsafe. I have seen spacers on SCCA race cars so obviously they can handle the stresses applied to these parts.Those guys push thier cars harder than I ever could on the street.Also with five lug bolts torqued to 87 ft/lbs holding everything together these spacers might as well be welded on.Just my opinions here but feel free to prove me wrong..
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:20 AM   #5
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If you feel more comfortable without them then thats great but I would challenge anyone to prove that these are unsafe. I have seen spacers on SCCA race cars so obviously they can handle the stresses applied to these parts.Those guys push thier cars harder than I ever could on the street.Also with five lug bolts torqued to 87 ft/lbs holding everything together these spacers might as well be welded on.Just my opinions here but feel free to prove me wrong..
cool, thanks! I'm sure there is a right way and a wrong way for everything.. my only (second-hand) experience was wrt a friend who snaped his wheel off at the lugs while he was 4wheelin'.. now that i think about it i don't think he replaced his lugs w longer ones, hence the carnage.. but its much simpler w our cars to use appropriate bolts for the app.
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I used 5mm spacers on a high performance GTiR for years, with the standard lugs - not a brilliant idea I admit, but I used a little locknut, torqued them up to over 90 pounds, and checked them often and no worries ever ever. I also placed a tiny bit of gun-gum around the bolt heads to absorb any posibble vibration a tiny bit more (hey i dunno if this helped but I was doing it anyway so why not). While this is not exactly a brainiac move, I am just saying that it takes a helluva force or abuse for lugs to come loose in my experience. Not only that, I have had some wheels come loose before (on other cars with no spacers!) and unless you are going ape and break a few at once, they will come loose slowly and individually (remember though that after 1 comes loose the others will start to take strain and vibrate) and you will immediately hear the rattling offending bolt/wheel, LONG before it or any others come off and your wheel sbounces into the sunset.

But of course I would not recommend anything more than a 5mm spacer if you do this, and if you have/can afford longer bolts, do that rather, especially if your wheel uses lug nuts and not throu-bolts.
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"The lugbolts have a higher risk to unloosen when using wheel spacers. If wheel spacers are required, you must use wheel spacers that bolt onto your hub. We cannot re-mount these spacers for you."

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I don't think you need to worry about your lugs "unloosening" while you're driving.
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After four years I'm sure he has figured out the answer to his question.

Good job though!
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:54 PM   #9
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Gunther,

Spacers are perfectly fine to use as long as they are a high quality hub centric spacer that has the proper length lug bolts. Most chain wheel/tire shops and dealerships will not come anywhere near spacers just due to liability reasons.

I have been personally running 10mm spacers on my race car for years without a problem.

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Hi, I currently have 15" rims and have bought a set of E46 17" rims. Can I simply place the new rims and tyres on the car or will I need to use spacers?
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Hi, I currently have 15" rims and have bought a set of E46 17" rims. Can I simply place the new rims and tyres on the car or will I need to use spacers?
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Spacers should not be required to fit upgraded OEM E46 rims on an E46. There are fitment issues trying to put E46 M3 rims on an non-M, but I don't think spacers would solve those issues.
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Well... spacers are illegal in some states (like Massachusetts), so clearly there are safety concerns somewhere
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Well... spacers are illegal in some states (like Massachusetts), so clearly there are safety concerns somewhere
yeah well the state in itself is a joke then.
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agh... dumb asses. This is how bum scoop gets passed around.
spacers are perfectly safe, if race cars can use them, i think theyre safe enough for us commuters.
plus the good ones are TUV approved. That wouldnt happen if they weren't safe.

What hes prolly seen is spacers with stock bolts that weren't long enough, or cheap spacers that weren't completely flat, and probably both combined with lugs that weren't torqued to the correct specs.
Id put money on those.
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yeah well the state in itself is a joke then.
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because Mass is so concerned about saftey, that their standards are higher than race orgs and TUV and DOT and JWL.
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Spacers should not be required to fit upgraded OEM E46 rims on an E46. There are fitment issues trying to put non M (high offset) rims on an M, or 5, or 7 series (low offset) .
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15 and 17 are diameters and have absolutely NOTHING to do with spacers.
what you need to know is width and offsets.

but generally, from the same chassis it will be a direct swap as long as youre not going from M to non M, etc, as i mentioned in the previous post.
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^ or if you are way lowered a lot more than what most people would do. my friend had to get spacers (fairly large ones at that) to get some OEM 18s to clear his suspension
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^ or if you are way lowered a lot more than what most people would do. my friend had to get spacers (fairly large ones at that) to get some OEM 18s to clear his suspension
wow never seen that happen, but can see how it would be possible now that you mention it.
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wow never seen that happen, but can see how it would be possible now that you mention it.
lol yea i was like there was no way when he told me. then i checked it out myself and yep.
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