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Old 12-27-2011, 04:41 PM   #141
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:13 PM   #142
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I thinking about doing this but she already have 79990 mile on her, should I do it ?
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:30 PM   #143
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I thinking about doing this but she already have 79990 mile on her, should I do it ?
80k is a perfect time to do it!
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:18 PM   #144
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I went to have an atf flush today and the tech told me its a dealer only service. I told him I've seen these DIYs. He said that's not possible, but here I am reading one. Why would he think that? He said there is no way to fill it...no dip stick. Can anyone advise a first timer?

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Old 01-04-2012, 10:46 PM   #145
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kimfogs - I guess it's beyond their scope! Find another/independent shop in the area.
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:31 PM   #146
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Thanks john lol apparently it is beyond their scope of abilities... Or they just didn't feel like doing it

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Old 01-09-2012, 12:04 AM   #147
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Did the ATF and filter change today on my 99 328i with 98,945 miles using this method. Great info.....make sure you have a torx 45 on an angle cuz it's really tight space on the fill side. My tranny has green sticker with recommended fluid type Dexron III. I used Castrol Dexron VI....end up using almost 7 liters of fluids. Old tranny fluid came out dark brown compared to reddish Dexron color. Might drain it again next week to make sure almost all of the old fluids are out. So far so good!!
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:39 PM   #148
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Just hit 81k on my 2005 325Ci. Might be willing to attempt this, but don't have jack stands or ramps. Been using the same heavy duty floor jack for a million years. I'd be willing to spend the money on some floor ramps if someone wants to fly down to Birmingham, AL and lend a hand. Might also be worth a nice Saturday barbecue and beer-fest, to honor the new National Champion Crimson Tide!!
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:51 PM   #149
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Did the ATF and filter change today on my 99 328i with 98,945 miles using this method. Great info.....make sure you have a torx 45 on an angle cuz it's really tight space on the fill side. My tranny has green sticker with recommended fluid type Dexron III. I used Castrol Dexron VI....end up using almost 7 liters of fluids. Old tranny fluid came out dark brown compared to reddish Dexron color. Might drain it again next week to make sure almost all of the old fluids are out. So far so good!!

Does anyone have a clear picture of the green label? I have the same label and have to go into the trans soon.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:12 AM   #150
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Did the ATF and filter change today on my 99 328i with 98,945 miles using this method. Great info.....make sure you have a torx 45 on an angle cuz it's really tight space on the fill side. My tranny has green sticker with recommended fluid type Dexron III. I used Castrol Dexron VI....end up using almost 7 liters of fluids. Old tranny fluid came out dark brown compared to reddish Dexron color. Might drain it again next week to make sure almost all of the old fluids are out. So far so good!!
Nice job!

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Old 02-01-2012, 10:10 AM   #151
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Just hit 104k miles on my original ATF, thinking of bringing it to my indy shop.
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Old 03-06-2012, 08:22 PM   #152
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Ok, so I've been told that BMW no longer sells the OEM fluid. Does 100% of the original ATF drain from the drain plug? I've been told on no uncertain terms not to mix fluids. If this DIY leaves old fluid somewhere in the transmission and I do the change with a non-OEM fluid, I will be mixing ATF. Thoughts?
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:38 PM   #153
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100% of the ATF doesn't drain from the plug, as there's a bunch in the torque converter and cooler lines. You have a couple of options. Depending on your transmission type, you can buy the same fluid elsewhere (this has been covered so much I don't keep it at the forefront of the brain).

For the ZF built 5HP19/A5S 325Z transmission, ZF recommends the 71141 versions available thru various manufacturers (BMW, VW/Audi, Jaguar, etc). Also, on their 11B list of approved oils, in addition to 71141, they list Pentosin ATF 1, as well as some others. Pentosin ATF 1 is a little cheaper (around $14) than 711141, however, the Pentosin web site says you need to do a full fluid replacement to get the benefits of their product. Since that won't happen on a basic fluid/filter change, due to fluid left in the lines and torque converter, I went with the VW/Audi 71141 fluid at $17 per bottle. Spread over 50K miles, the extra expense isn't so bad.

For the ZF 5HP19 transmission, here are the part numbers to the LT71141 fluid ... these are all the same stuff:
=> Audi / VW Oil No. G 052162 A1 / A2 / A6 (Ax is the fluid volume of the container)
=> BMW Oil No. 8322 9407807
=> Citroen Oil No. Z 000169756
=> Jaguar Oil No. JLM 20238
=> Mercedes Benz Oil No. A 0019892203 => Peugeot Oil No. Z 000169756
=> Porsche Oil No. 999.917.547.00

You'll find a large number of posts here where people have mixed fluids. Some use Redline, Amsoil, Royal Purple, Valvoline, and others, and their transmissions didn't go belly up. One person used a different oil, then changed it out again after a few thousand miles, then again, then again until it was as close as practical to 100% the new oil.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:30 PM   #154
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You'll find a large number of posts here where people have mixed fluids. Some use Redline, Amsoil, Royal Purple, Valvoline, and others, and their transmissions didn't go belly up. One person used a different oil, then changed it out again after a few thousand miles, then again, then again until it was as close as practical to 100% the new oil.
That does seem to be the consensus. I'm very wary of mixing fluids as I've been instructed not to do that not only by mechanics but by pretty much every shop manual I've ever seen when discussion transmission fluid changes. I may pay a professional to get all of the old OEM fluid out and put in something that I can buy. Then do the changes myself after that.

I also think that there could be a separate procedure here. The drain and fill could be useful every 30k mi with a filter change every 60k mi or something like that. Doing that could save a lot of extra work with little downside.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:47 PM   #155
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I didn't want to mix fluids, which is why I went with the VW variant of the fluid, for my 5HP19 transmission. GMs use different fluid.
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I didn't want to mix fluids, which is why I went with the VW variant of the fluid, for my 5HP19 transmission. GMs use different fluid.
It's not at all clear from your post that the fluid you used is the same fluid as came with your car. So you're saying that LT71141 is the OEM fluid that came with the ZF transmission?

Mine is the GM transmission anyway, so I'll have to find something else. The original fluid seems to literally not be sold anywhere, which means I have one of three options:

1) Mix fluid using this DIY with something random
2) Mix fluid using this DIY with an "analog" or "recommended" fluid
3) Find someone who can flush all of the old fluid out and cycle new fluid in.

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Old 03-07-2012, 01:18 PM   #157
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For the ZF 5HP19 transmission, it's fill is LT71141. I used the VW labeled LT71141, which ZF states is the right fluid. As you mention, the GM transmission uses a different fluid.

If you're looking for GM fluid, if you have an A5S360R transmission, Bavauto.com has the Texaco 7045E fluid. They didn't have the fluid for the A5S390R transmission.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:49 PM   #158
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Redline D4 ATF works for my A5S390R

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That does seem to be the consensus. I'm very wary of mixing fluids as I've been instructed not to do that not only by mechanics but by pretty much every shop manual I've ever seen when discussion transmission fluid changes. I may pay a professional to get all of the old OEM fluid out and put in something that I can buy. Then do the changes myself after that.

I also think that there could be a separate procedure here. The drain and fill could be useful every 30k mi with a filter change every 60k mi or something like that. Doing that could save a lot of extra work with little downside.

63% drain-and-fill
The General Motors A5S390R transmission will drain about 6 quarts, while the full capacity is 9.5 quarts, including torque convertor. That gives you 63% new fluid mixed with old. A second drain and fill (after driving the car) will give 86% replacement (6 qt of new + 3.5 qt of .63 ). A third change is unnecessary, in my mind.

Redline D4 ATF
I use Redline D4 ATF, a synthetic fluid that is DEXRON III compatible. DEX III was recommended to me by an independent BMW mechanic. I did the service at 110k, replacing the filter too. That was 25,000 miles ago. I am happy to report that my transmission shifts like new. My transmission shifted well even before I changed the fluid. Recently, I did another drain-and-fill without removing the pan or filter. Again, I used Redline D4 ATF (5 or 6 quarts).

That's my experience and I am happy with the results. I'll probably drain-and-fill every 10-20k miles from here on.

This is only my experience and I am not recommending anything. It's your car and you have to make your own decisions. Good luck!

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Bentley, 020-8 Maintenance, Table d. Fluids and lubricants (for the A5S390R): ETL-7045 or Dexron III
Inconsistent with p 240-2, which specifies Texaco ETL-8072B and does not mention Dexron III.

The P/N on the label affixed to the tranny belly pan is 83220024359. Searching that P/N in Pelican's database shows it was superseded twice and then indicates it is a BMW special order. ecstuning.com shows no match for that P/N but when I enter my specific vehicle, the Redline D4 ATF pops up. Here's what is claimed by D4 ATF (on ecstuning):

Automatic Transmission Fluid (Dexron[should be RED LINE] D4 ATF) - 1 Quart
Can be used in most ZF automatic transmissions. Meets Esso LT 71141, Shell LA2634 & M-1375.4, Texaco ETL 7045 & ETL 8072B.

It claims to be the magic elixir for all three transmission specifications listed in E46 Bentley. I only know it works for my GM 390 and I'm sticking with it.

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...luid/ES251177/

http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=51&pcid=9
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:44 PM   #159
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Thanks for that information. I'm still very concerned about mixing fluids despite all of the testimonials here. Does anyone know how one might go about getting the remainder of the fluid out? How would a mechanic do the job?
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:24 PM   #160
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hi guys, just wanted your opinion. i have an 01 330i sedan with 130k on it already.. never been replaced my transmission oil.. do you think i can still do it with this high mileage.. i've read that if you passed by 100k mark don't do it anymore.. my tranny still feels good as of today.. PLEASE HELP ME to decide..
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