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Old 07-16-2010, 01:11 PM   #26161
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Holme, does the e36 M3 use flat tappet or roller cams?
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:18 PM   #26162
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:19 PM   #26163
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I'm not sure to be honest. Whats the difference? Probably roller.
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:41 PM   #26164
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Is that tech session open to all BMWCCA members? Can I just stop on by and meet some people or did I have to RSVP?
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:50 PM   #26165
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I'm not sure to be honest. Whats the difference? Probably roller.
The important part of the difference is if it's flat tappet DO NOT just go out and buy M1. Easy way to tell - do the lifters have rollers on them?
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:11 PM   #26166
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:13 PM   #26167
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Yes anyone can come, feel free to come on out.

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Old 07-16-2010, 03:32 PM   #26168
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The important part of the difference is if it's flat tappet DO NOT just go out and buy M1. Easy way to tell - do the lifters have rollers on them?
They are not roller cams.

also, what do you think about the 5.7mm round? I've got some plans in my little head.
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:35 PM   #26169
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They are not roller cams.

also, what do you think about the 5.7mm round? I've got some plans in my little head.
I think the problem with the 5.7 is they've neutered the ammo they'll sell to the people. Low recoil and flat shooting, but it's just for fun.

To Holme - if you're not willing to order your oil online, and since Impulsed said it doesn't have roller cams, I'd give Shawn Ramey a call and see if he stocks the Brad Penn oil in a weight appropriate for your car (www.rameybuilt.com). Otherwise I'd get something like Motul 300V from lnengineering.com (NB: you're going to have to change it out every 3k). You can also sometimes find the Valvoline Racing stuff in a auto parts place (the REAL Valvoline racing, the one that says for off road use only on it).

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Old 07-16-2010, 04:45 PM   #26170
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Dude, its a E36 M. Basically a M50/2 with a fancy manifold. It runs the same non M bmw llc oil as any other regular bmw.
Mobil1 0W40 is just fine for it.
Fuk valvoline, I'd never put that **** in my car, and mobile1 is what your benz and porsches come with, so its good frikin oil.
No need to go searching all over for some fancy oil.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:46 PM   #26171
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Dude, its a E36 M. Basically a M50/2 with a fancy manifold. It runs the same non M bmw llc oil as any other regular bmw.
Mobil1 0W40 is just fine for it.
Fuk valvoline, I'd never put that **** in my car, and mobile1 is what your benz and porsches come with, so its good frikin oil.
No need to go searching all over for some fancy oil.
I suggest you do some reading up on what has happened to oil, and on what are the needs of flat tappets.

If you think MB and Porsche using M1 has anything to do with the oil, you're mistaken. It's all about money. Yeah, it'll work fine for a roller cam, but it's not great. Even ExxonMobil says the only Mobil1 that can be used with flat tappets is the 15w.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:56 PM   #26172
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Not gonna argue with you man. I've been using M1 for a long time, and their reputation isn't bought. So yeah...
You check out any oil analysis comparison, M1 is good to go.
Porsche wouldn't run their oil if it was garbage. Same with castrol and bmw, its a partnership, castrol works with bmw developing these oils, I'd go out on a limb and say I'm pretty sure M1 and Porsche have done the same.
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Again, the needs of roller cams and flat tappet cams are TOTALLY different. And ANY SM oil is going to be bad, with the exception of the 15w seems to be ok, though not ideal.

The current M1 formulas haven't even been in existance for a long time for you to have been using them for a long time.

On top of that, the factory fill oils have to be high detergent, which is another point against them, for the sake of the extended service intervals companies are pushing.

Find someone who has run Mobil 1 in a porsche on a track and ask him what happened to his oil pressure after 10 minutes.

It's not a bad oil for running a car with roller cams around the street, I agree. It's not a great oil though.

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But see...there's a right and a wrong. Just ask all the muscle car and british car guys who had the combination of unhardened cams with flat tappet lifters and saw their cam lobes wipe away in a matter of hundreds of miles. Even with the nitride hardened German car cams, if you've got flat tappets SM oil (except for 15w) is your worst enemy, it just takes longer. It's not a Mobil thing, it's not a Castrol thing, it's an EPA thing. These other oils have the benefit of being "off road only."

Now, a newer car with roller cams is pretty much fine with SM oil, but just know that it's a marginal fine and I wouldn't do anything that significantly changes the pressure on the cams and valvetrain while still using that.

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Just finished doing my wiring for my fan delet mod!!! It works well and keeps my temp in the mid/normal area of the guage. It's better than the clutched cooling fan and the electric fan is quiet as heck!!! Best investment I've done on my e36!!!
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Just finished doing my wiring for my fan delet mod!!! It works well and keeps my temp in the mid/normal area of the guage. It's better than the clutched cooling fan and the electric fan is quiet as heck!!! Best investment I've done on my e36!!!
additional information required. seriously. link me to what you used please. i considered this a few yrs ago on my 325is but could never find the right fan or anyone to tell me what fan to use. and calvins fan sounds like a turbine powering up for full throttle every 7 seconds lmao


btw...someone change calvin's name on the forum from the law to fireball b/c apparently its ok for him to shoot fireballs at people in the parking lot of rib joints while hes leaving. just sayin
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