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Old 12-17-2009, 07:33 AM   #17061
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Not an E36 but my cupkit uses bilsetin shocks. I love the ride. Its def not track ready I think, since its valved more for comfort than sport.

I have the PSS9s on the green car. more comfy IMO than the KW's and handles better. although i dont know what you are trying to see, the pss9s have the bilstein shocks?
There is a lot of whining on various forums that the bilstein sports for the E36 M3 specifically have screwed up valving causing them to be overly harsh in normal driving. At the limit they perform well, but apparently due to the valving spec they are very harsh on the street. It's an application specific issue.

Mine is stiff when going over the roads here, it's not awful, but I want to see if these claims hold any water and if I am just oblivious to what I'm missing.

The Konis, bilstein PSS9s, and stock are all supposedly much better. Next time we're at a meet will have to ride in your green car, I'm curious how the PSS9s, I've sworn off coilovers on a street car, but I have ridden in a gt-r with a pss9 setup and was very impressed.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:39 AM   #17062
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remember, ride quality is really just someones opinion, Cory thinks my car is rough, i think its perfect. most people are surprised atthe ride quality after seeing the drop, yet some say, its great, some say they wouldnt want to drive it daily.

So its really hard to gauge off someones opinion. unless they are compare it to a common baseline, say the stock setup.

IMO a propper set of coilovers are unbeatable. As most can be set from comfortably firm but compliant to solid as slate.
Particularly the top name Brands.

Then you have to factor in how different the road condistions were when you you sampled what you sampled and car type, also RFT vs conventional tires.
RFT on the rear made the sharp jolts of 64 and 264 expansion joints almost unbearable compared to the regular tires, but everything else they feel basically the same.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:34 AM   #17063
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Dudes i just saw a Porsche Panamerica on indian lakes, it is
It's the "Panamera" not Panamerica.....


it's disgusting. I can not stand looking at it... and it's in the showroom here.

One of Porsche's biggest fails ever.

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Old 12-17-2009, 10:16 AM   #17064
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There is a lot of whining on various forums that the bilstein sports for the E36 M3 specifically have screwed up valving causing them to be overly harsh in normal driving. At the limit they perform well, but apparently due to the valving spec they are very harsh on the street. It's an application specific issue.

Mine is stiff when going over the roads here, it's not awful, but I want to see if these claims hold any water and if I am just oblivious to what I'm missing.

The Konis, bilstein PSS9s, and stock are all supposedly much better. Next time we're at a meet will have to ride in your green car, I'm curious how the PSS9s, I've sworn off coilovers on a street car, but I have ridden in a gt-r with a pss9 setup and was very impressed.
I'm using all stock M3 suspension. However, I have greatly considered purchasing a brand new suspension set, which would include the most comprehensive one available. But I don't know which one to get. I was looking at bilstein, but now you have me worried.

Where should I look for consultation on purchasing a high quality suspension kit?!?!?!?
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:17 AM   #17065
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Porshe should never have built a 4 door car, suv maybe but car no. It takes away from the image of porshe as if they are trying to target the average family now with 2 kids, a dog, and they recycle on a daily basis while still do speeds of 100+ with no problem. That and its ugly it looks like a stretched 911 on organic steroids (because its a hybrid).
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:22 AM   #17066
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Porshe should never have built a 4 door car, suv maybe but car no. It takes away from the image of porshe as if they are trying to target the average family now with 2 kids, a dog, and they recycle on a daily basis while still do speeds of 100+ with no problem. That and its ugly it looks like a stretched 911 on organic steroids (because its a hybrid).
NO NO NO NO NO. I think the 4 door car is AMAZING. You take that back!!

...and yes. One of their marketing techniques (as I actually listen to a salesman pitching it to a d-bag now...) is "and look, you can fit your car seat in it."

It looks terrible. The front axle goes through the engine. What the hell.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:22 AM   #17067
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read the e36 m3 section on bimmerforums. You can come for a spin in my car, you're in the area? My office is downtown norfolk, but I live up on the peninsula (NN). I am running bilsteins on stock springs, it works for me but I am curious as to other options. 99% of the guys say Konis with stock or H&R sport springs is the best combo. Others say even a pair of new OEM sachs shocks are great (remember all the handling awards the e36 M got in its heyday).

The bilstein PSS9s are all claimed to be great as well, bilstein in general is a very good product it is just the apparent valving of the E36 M3 sport shock that is an issue. I wouldn't bother with anything else really, especially those cheapass coilovers (raceland, etc). I've just been curious about it and would like to do a back to back comparison of the common setups to see if all this talk on the forums is purely speculation and e-penis wagging.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:25 AM   #17068
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:31 AM   #17069
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NO NO NO NO NO. I think the 4 door car is AMAZING. You take that back!!

...and yes. One of their marketing techniques (as I actually listen to a salesman pitching it to a d-bag now...) is "and look, you can fit your car seat in it."

It looks terrible. The front axle goes through the engine. What the hell.
Yea i agree a 4 door car is great but not for porshe they should have left it up to their SUV (Cayenne) and redesigned that with a hybrid. Then they could of used that money to come out with a new cooler (As if porshe could be any cooler) 2 door sports car that is mildly prices for the average Joe.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:35 AM   #17070
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Yea i agree a 4 door car is great but not for porshe they should have left it up to their SUV (Cayenne) and redesigned that with a hybrid. Then they could of used that money to come out with a new cooler (As if porshe could be any cooler) 2 door sports car that is mildly prices for the average Joe.
I can understand why Porsche did it... but the way they constructed it, and their target audience.. was just bad in every single way. It's disappointing to see. I like that Audi put together a bunch of diesels, though.


I think if I were to ever get a new(er) car, it'd probably be an Audi A3... but I won't ever buy a new car, so I guess it doesn't matter. When my e34 dies, I'll be finding another one.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:40 AM   #17071
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I agree the construction is disappointing. My heart is still set on a E46 M3, (many many years from now) porsche carrera GT. How long have you had your E34?
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:41 AM   #17072
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I agree the construction is disappointing. My heart is still set on a E46 M3, (many many years from now) porsche carrera GT. How long have you had your E34?
I've had it since late 2003... and I've racked up over 60k on it. Just took her on a trip to NoVA last weekend... and am planning a road trip to PA in April. By far one of the best cruising cars with a decent amount of power I've ever been in.

My dream car is the e34 M5. Pretty sure I've said on here and at other points before that I'd offer my hand in marriage for one.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:51 AM   #17073
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That does sound like a fun crusie. PA has some awesome roads to drive around on, I take advantage of the nice weather everytime I am up there. I bougt my car last year and it had 65K when I bought it. I took it back and forth to PA and I also drove to Texas and back and I now have 93K on it. I have to take it in for its 90K Inspection and i am really not looking forward to it.
Wow hand in marriage huh?? thats deep...
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:20 AM   #17074
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:30 AM   #17075
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:06 PM   #17076
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The general opinion on stock e36 M3 shocks is that they are overdamped stock. Let me run through the suspensions I've had on e36's.
2 with H&R Race springs. One with the cup kit shocks, one with Koni's that I replaced with bilsteins. Koni's felt like blown stock shocks. Cup kit shocks felt great, same with the bilsteins. Springs were low and stiff, but easily bearable on the street.
1 with H&R cupkit, too comfortable for me...
1 with B&G coilovers, which I think are the koni multi way adj shocks. obviously adjustable, so could be comfy or stiff.
1 with KW V1 (black one) not as comfy as the PSS9's, and a hair shy of them in the handling dept.
1 with PSS9's (standard e36 sway bar mount), handle great and a very livable ride. Also have the UUC front sway bar on the car as well.

you should never upgrade the rear sway in an e36, even for racing. with my 95 IP car I ran a 325 rear bar and got tons more grip out of the back end and way more feedback from the rear.

And yea rhon, the 9ff was some dude from DC who was up at one of the philly meets for a few minutes. he was driving by and saw all the cars so he stopped. sounded good as hell, but still so ugly I could never own one.

Modbargains 12 day christmas sale is for KW coilovers today and today only. If you're gonna go balls out save some money...

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:35 PM   #17077
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