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Old 02-28-2014, 07:57 PM   #461
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Old 07-12-2014, 07:36 AM   #462
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Consider this tool - Nibbler

I have read with attention the whole thread, while pondering the acoustics of my e46 Touring 320d. My compliments to the originator [RSL]of this thread for doing as much as he did. Others were also extremely helpful as far as information I gained. I suppose the e46 has lost it's cache and many have moved to newer BMW models.

Well, here is my 2 cents.
None of you have mentioned nor used a simple electrical tool which I bought just for this application - namely cutting holes in door sheet metal. It is called "nibbler" and is designed to give you safety and precision in cutting even complicated shapes in sheet steel.


When I do the other door, I will try to take some photos to share. However, I must stress that with this tool the hole cutting is 15 min job, plus some hole file deburring.


I managed to complete a passenger car door with Dynamat sound deadening and the sound was quite amazing. I am installing Audio System MX165 6.5" speakers on raised/sealed MDF base rings w/ separate 1" tweeters in empty spaces of door A-pillars, which strangely had grills for them.
http://www.audiosystem-europe.com/componentsystems.html

These have carbon fiber cones and did sound impressive (bass wise) in a sound room as well as in a late model Honda Civic (space ship) on OE radio.

My plan is to disconnect the rear speaker pair and install a light sub on a bridged channel pair. The sort of subs discussed here are over the top for me, so I will go in the direction of a catalog sourced 8" tube or small box._nr_
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Old 07-13-2014, 05:24 AM   #463
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I have read with attention the whole thread, while pondering the acoustics of my e46 Touring 320d. My compliments to the originator [RSL]of this thread for doing as much as he did. Others were also extremely helpful as far as information I gained. I suppose the e46 has lost it's cache and many have moved to newer BMW models.

Well, here is my 2 cents.
None of you have mentioned nor used a simple electrical tool which I bought just for this application - namely cutting holes in door sheet metal. It is called "nibbler" and is designed to give you safety and precision in cutting even complicated shapes in sheet steel.


When I do the other door, I will try to take some photos to share. However, I must stress that with this tool the hole cutting is 15 min job, plus some hole file deburring.


I managed to complete a passenger car door with Dynamat sound deadening and the sound was quite amazing. I am installing Audio System MX165 6.5" speakers on raised/sealed MDF base rings w/ separate 1" tweeters in empty spaces of door A-pillars, which strangely had grills for them.
http://www.audiosystem-europe.com/componentsystems.html

These have carbon fiber cones and did sound impressive (bass wise) in a sound room as well as in a late model Honda Civic (space ship) on OE radio.

My plan is to disconnect the rear speaker pair and install a light sub on a bridged channel pair. The sort of subs discussed here are over the top for me, so I will go in the direction of a catalog sourced 8" tube or small box._nr_
Please keep us updated I'm really curious to sew what your baffle comes out like!
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:16 PM   #464
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I finally completed the job of properly mounting aftermarket front speaker in my e46 2004 320d Touring. It took several weeks to finalize the formula for doing this in terms of what speakers and how to do it to make it worthwhile with respect to sound.

Initially I bought 6.5 inch Hertz Audio DSK 165.3 speakers with tweeters. However further digging into the subject matter made me abandon the idea of mounting those speakers, instead going with 6.5 inch Audio System MX 165 PLUS. The pictures below show how those speakers were mounted.

Initially I did the RH (passenger) side door. Spent the money for one side worth of Dynamat to prove out my method. It is a lot of work to install Dynamat on doors if you want to do a good job. Risk being the surface sculpting of Dynamat so the removable door panel clears it.

Initially I isnatalled the speaker using BMW OE philosphy where a resonant volume behind removable door panel is the sole space to generate sound. Needless to say it was NO GOOD. BMW must have developed their OE cheapo speakers to to get even marginal sound from this but for me it was too little.

So I decided to cut the hole in the door to properly mount speakers. Below you'll find a pictorial record of what I did with my commentary in picture insets. Enjoy as I now enjoy my new audio sound.
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:47 PM   #465
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After I finished the RH passenger car door and discovered what an amazing difference in bass this produced, I made plans to do the other side. In the mean time I was pondering what to do with the rear speakers. I considered using those Hertz units I bought earlier, but since they rely on separate tweeters I would have had to install the whole tweeter mess behind there to get decent sound. I abandoned this idea and began looking for a 6.5 inch 2 or 3 way speakers. Out of limited listening I experienced, I found that Blaupunkt BGx 663's were 3-way and quite "honest and bright" to my ears so I bought them. Since e46 Touring has tight spaces for rear mount speakers, I had to tin snip entire perimeter lip of those speakers to fit them. Butyl rubber cord does the trick in sealing them for a good sound.

After I installed Blaupunkts, the whole car transformed in terms of audio sound. Not just clarity but magnitude of sound ie. loudness and bassiness. At that time I had one Audio System speaker in RH front door and two 663's in rear with an OE speaker in LH door.

Pictures below show a complete installation of that speaker in LH door.

When all was set and done, I had a chance to compare the sound from DYnamat clad door vs. OE factory sound insulation. My verdict is that I do not detect much difference. In fact with some heavy bass music fragments I find the Dynamat side falling into unpleasant resonance and not the other, so I will leave it alone and enjoy my work.
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Old 08-18-2014, 03:10 PM   #466
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e46 Touring front door speaker installation cont'd 2

My initial plan was to amplify the sound and add a subwoofer in the rear in lieu of upgrading rear speakers. However as I was getting mesmorized by sound improvements, both ideas were abandoned at least at this time.

Having upgraded just the speakers, I discovered in utter shock how great the music can sound in my car without any other additions. My car is equipped with the BMW Business CD player which reportedly has 4x10 or 4x15W output power. This isn't much but the bass I get now just tickles my ears and seems sufficient at this time. I may upgrade to a portable USB player attachment, which will allow me to play my FLAC music from a stick instead of recording CDs.
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Old 08-18-2014, 04:15 PM   #467
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My initial plan was to amplify the sound and add a subwoofer in the rear in lieu of upgrading rear speakers. However as I was getting mesmorized by sound improvements, both ideas were abandoned at least at this time.

Having upgraded just the speakers, I discovered in utter shock how great the music can sound in my car without any other additions. My car is equipped with the BMW Business CD player which reportedly has 4x10 or 4x15W output power. This isn't much but the bass I get now just tickles my ears and seems sufficient at this time. I may upgrade to a portable USB player attachment, which will allow me to play my FLAC music from a stick instead of recording CDs.
hay man where in europe are you im located in germany did this mod myself as well............lucky for you that the speakers you chose were shallow...mine were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy deeep......sadly i had to make it work
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Old 08-18-2014, 05:30 PM   #468
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hay man where in europe are you im located in germany did this mod myself as well............lucky for you that the speakers you chose were shallow...mine were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy deeep......sadly i had to make it work
I'm in PL.
I don't know what speakers you speak of, but the ones I had installed are massively deep requiring 63mm of clearance. In fact, depth is a key design factor in speakers, especially small diameter ones such as these trying to maximize bass.

In fact I trial installed them during this pictured installation, just to see for myself how they would compare to these AS (Audio System) ones. At that instant, I did not have tweeters wired just yet, so I tried them as woofers. Just playing Bob Marley from CD recorded in lossless format I could easily hear the difference between them. The Hertz speaker was tinny in sound, almost as if it already had a tweeter built in, whereas the AS speaker clearly transmitted low end grunt and not much else.

I was sure glad I backed away from Hertz and went into AS. Too bad I could not return these units since such products are not returnable once you open the box. I am sure one day I will have a use for them.
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Old 08-19-2014, 04:59 AM   #470
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Yes I do remember your installation. Indeed the speaker appears to be deep. Did you manage to hide all this under the removable door panel w/o any added modifications?
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e46nibbled, Thank you so much for such a detailed write-up. Especially with your pictures/comments, you've made it very clear what you did, how you did it, and tips along the way. Really helpful

I'm just about to embark on a similar project with my E46 Coupe, so will defintiely take some on board some of your ideas. The speakers I've bought for my project are Focal IS165s, which are specifically designed with OEM replacement in mind, therefore have a very shallow mounting depth of just 50mm. I'm hoping this will help with the install.

Could you please share where you bought the Rover 200 MDF mounting rings from? It would be useful to know, rather than having to make my own ones up from MDF sheeting.

Thanks again, and I'm glad you're enjoying your new sounds
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e46nibbled, Thank you so much for such a detailed write-up. Especially with your pictures/comments, you've made it very clear what you did, how you did it, and tips along the way. Really helpful

I'm just about to embark on a similar project with my E46 Coupe, so will defintiely take some on board some of your ideas. The speakers I've bought for my project are Focal IS165s, which are specifically designed with OEM replacement in mind, therefore have a very shallow mounting depth of just 50mm. I'm hoping this will help with the install.

Could you please share where you bought the Rover 200 MDF mounting rings from? It would be useful to know, rather than having to make my own ones up from MDF sheeting.

Thanks again, and I'm glad you're enjoying your new sounds
Glad all my picture editing work turned out to be useful to you.

The MDF spacer rings or standoffs as I called them I purchased locally from a shop that sold me the speakers. I took the door panel off and went to that shop to trial fit several MDF spacers from different fitment applications before realizing that ear clocking of these Rover 200 ones nicely miss the door panel mounting holes. They only had 3 different ones in stock and this Rover200 type seemed most suitable for me. It is possible that there could be still other fitment types, that will do the job even better.

One guide I would suggest is to choose a beefy looking ring, since you may easily remove and scallop out any areas of MDF you need, but you will retain the mounting stiffness of the ring.

As I did a quick search to answer your question, I just discovered this company, which happens to be in my country, which sells these rings of all shapes and sizes.
Heres the link for it:
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Glad all my picture editing work turned out to be useful to you.

The MDF spacer rings or standoffs as I called them I purchased locally from a shop that sold me the speakers. I took the door panel off and went to that shop to trial fit several MDF spacers from different fitment applications before realizing that ear clocking of these Rover 200 ones nicely miss the door panel mounting holes. They only had 3 different ones in stock and this Rover200 type seemed most suitable for me. It is possible that there could be still other fitment types, that will do the job even better.

One guide I would suggest is to choose a beefy looking ring, since you may easily remove and scallop out any areas of MDF you need, but you will retain the mounting stiffness of the ring.

As I did a quick search to answer your question, I just discovered this company, which happens to be in my country, which sells these rings of all shapes and sizes.
Heres the link for it:
http://www.tme.eu/en/details/mdf-d.3...-accessories/#
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Again, that's very helpful, thank you!

On the same website you linked to, there's also a specific BMW E46 spacer ring listed for front doors : http://www.tme.eu/en/details/d.mdf.b...es/4carmedia/#
Might this also be suitable for the job, without the need to modify/scallop out parts of the ring as you did in your build?

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Again, that's very helpful, thank you!

On the same website you linked to, there's also a specific BMW E46 spacer ring listed for front doors : http://www.tme.eu/en/details/d.mdf.b...es/4carmedia/#
Might this also be suitable for the job, without the need to modify/scallop out parts of the ring as you did in your build?

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Right you are good find.
I did not spend the time to locate a "proper" MDF spacer because I had some sudden fragments of free time and decided to do it on a spur of the moment. Since MDF is so easy to modify it was not critical for me to get an exact piece, but to find something close.

Bear in mind that e46 has different body versions and in each case you come across different ways to make speaker fit. Case in point 2 door vs 4 door. Looking at this black in color MDF adapter they offer and knowing by now the inner door sheet metal features and removable door panel attachment points I would chance a guess that it is not for my application, ie. 4 door or Touring. So perhaps this is a 2 door application spacer while they are not saying it.

I do recommmend you remove the door panel and study it for a minute, this may save you some missteps.

Last comment about your speakers. Bear in mind that if you want to attain some real bass, the speaker has to be "deep" in it's "basket design". So if you had not yet made the purchase, do take that into consideration. Because if you do decide to cut the sheet metal in the door, you gain quite a bit more depth clearance to accomodate a speaker with somewhere around 60mm in depth.
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