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Old 07-05-2007, 01:10 AM   #41
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Could you give a little breakdown on the number of grams of carbs, protein and fats you have while cutting versus while you're bulking or on maintenance.

How did you lose size? Did you not eat enough?

Also, do have any alcohol intake or due you cut that out during your cut.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:34 AM   #43
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I would say that is what i just went through.. Put on massive size with added definition, meanwhile i dropped 30 lbs and tons and tons of bodyfat.. What would you like to know? I eat like I am cutting, just much more throughout the day of what im eating.. Then just lift hard and do a moderate intensity cardio for 30-45 min in morning or 30 minutes max after you lift!
Well, I know a lot about what to eat and what not to eat and I am very dedicated to it too. You won't find me cheating or even drinking much because of it. I have a hard time letting myself eat larger portions because I am sedentary during office hours but then I go workout 2 hrs including cardio 5-6 days a week.
I kind of figured out that I eat like I am cutting all the time but I work out like I am trying to put on mass everyday. The result is great bf percentage but having to keep working to keep my size on. Constant maintenance sucks.
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What amnt of calories do you eat everyday and how intense/x per week are your workouts?
I think I end up burning all of my food energy about 60% of the way through my workout and end up burning muscle even before I get to the cardio part.
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Thanks guys . I hope everyone enjoyed the 4th yesterday.

Ward... yes, I have been successful in cutting bulking at the same time. I tried it for a period of time earlier on this year with good success. I actually started it first as a mini-cut between bulks, but I ended up being very successful with it result in muscle gain as well. At the time, I also ran an EC stack. I lost an inch off my waist and stayed the same in weight. All my lifts went up, and I made sure to not try to confuse strength for size. So yes, it is possible, but extremely hard. I'm not looking to do it again as it forced me to be too strict in my diet. Being natural without the aid of certain supplements, it was just way to hard for me to juggle with my schedule. I didn't really enjoy it at all. Granted the results were great, I didn't enjoy having the strict of a lifestyle, especially since I don't compete or anything. I prefer to just clean bulk up, then cut out the fat/retain muscle mass. Not only is it easier and do I see results faster, but I got to enjoy day to day life a bit better instead of worrying about my diet controlling me. As for the intensity of my workouts, well, I always lift heavy and hard and keep the reps low to moderate as I've said. Much doesn't change. Diet is the deciding factor. The only thing in my actual exercise routine that changes is I might knock back a day or two of cardio, or switch to a lower intensity. One thing that I've figured out through trial and error on my own, is that I actually see better gains during my bulk in size and strength during the periods I do continue with cardio, than the times where I have cut it out completely. As for the amount of cals I consume daily, look at my response to sensi

Core... I just try to eat each meal every 2-3 hours apart if possible. I have my first meal right when I wake up, and my last about 30 minutes before bed.

Sensi... I don't count calories or anything like that anymore. I just try to make sure that my diet is balanced. I have enough experience and know my own body well enough to just be able to measure out each meal I eat just by eye. I generally try to get at least 30-40 grams of protein each meal though, that stays constant. I also try to make sure that each meal (besides a cheat) does not surpass around 500 cals or so; not always the case however. I would say that during my cuts, I probably eat around 3000 cals a day, and about 3500-3700 cals during my bulks. I slacked off and lost a bit of size earlier this year because being my last semester and graduating in may, I got too caught up with school crap. My schedule was a bit too crazy and I ended up sacrificing some gym time and my diet a bit. My sleep was also way off. I wasn't giving my body enough time to rest. I was also stressed out because of a couple classes. As a result, the times that I actually did make it to the gym, my mind was somewhere else. I didn't have the right mind set and just ended up going through the motions when i lifted instead of mentally focusing on what I was doing. I'm generally not a big drinker, but i do have the occasional drink every now and then whenever I go out with the boys. One drink isn't going to make or break me.
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Well, I know a lot about what to eat and what not to eat and I am very dedicated to it too. You won't find me cheating or even drinking much because of it. I have a hard time letting myself eat larger portions because I am sedentary during office hours but then I go workout 2 hrs including cardio 5-6 days a week.
I kind of figured out that I eat like I am cutting all the time but I work out like I am trying to put on mass everyday. The result is great bf percentage but having to keep working to keep my size on. Constant maintenance sucks.
Ill, Rich:
What amnt of calories do you eat everyday and how intense/x per week are your workouts?
I think I end up burning all of my food energy about 60% of the way through my workout and end up burning muscle even before I get to the cardio part.
If you are lifting hard you are not burning muscle during lifting, your Glycogen stores will probably not even be depleted by the end of your workout session (being that your diet throughout the day and pre workout shake is proper) therefore you have a good 30min of low/moderate intensity cardio to burn fat) and not muscle..

My lifting sessions are very quick with my new DC training, 45 minutes or so because there isnt much rest, then i bang out a quick 30 on elyptical or stairmaster then down my waxy maize and pro complex protein shake!

My biggest problem was always building size under fat and getting bulky, now im lifting heavier then ever, eating more then ever and look better then ever. Its a weird concept hah!
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If you are lifting hard you are not burning muscle during lifting, your Glycogen stores will probably not even be depleted by the end of your workout session (being that your diet throughout the day and pre workout shake is proper) therefore you have a good 30min of low/moderate intensity cardio to burn fat) and not muscle..

My lifting sessions are very quick with my new DC training, 45 minutes or so because there isnt much rest, then i bang out a quick 30 on elyptical or stairmaster then down my waxy maize and pro complex protein shake!

My biggest problem was always building size under fat and getting bulky, now im lifting heavier then ever, eating more then ever and look better then ever. Its a weird concept hah!
I do lift hard with little rest. I've been doing explosive reps too with some negatives mixed in. I just shrink so much in 24 hrs and even more in 48 hrs if I go without another workout. I'm going to simply increase my intake of clean food and see how I do from there. I currently eat how a girl should eat when trying to cut, meaning that my portions are probably tiny for how much I workout and how big I am.
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I do lift hard with little rest. I've been doing explosive reps too with some negatives mixed in. I just shrink so much in 24 hrs and even more in 48 hrs if I go without another workout. I'm going to simply increase my intake of clean food and see how I do from there. I currently eat how a girl should eat when trying to cut, meaning that my portions are probably tiny for how much I workout and how big I am.
Well that's where you are wrong, i also use to eat next to nothing when trying to lose weight and working out hard.. I got flabby, some size, no energy! As i mentioned i totally transformed my diet and i eat ALOT during the day, yet notice better results. Start eating my friend
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Rich, (Sorry don't know you on a personal level but have read plenty of your posts)

My question for you is what you know about the science behind bulking and cutting? I have heard a lot about it but don't know the reasoning behind it. Personally, I'm doing them both at the same time. I play rugby here which is 4 days of intense cardio and full-body workout, and 3 days of gym workout which all include cardio. I'm at a happy 5'10 and 192. Now I've only been doing this (routinely) since January so I havn't completely figured my body out yet. Not changing workouts or cardio schedule, I seem to loose a quick 6 pounds and gain 4, therefore less bodyfat %. Now I'm pretty steady around 190. I'm curious to see if I should try cutting, then bulking back up, but it is hard for me to get the 5 meals in a day vs my typical 3. I would be interested in your input, thanks in advance!

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Rich, (Sorry don't know you on a personal level but have read plenty of your posts)

My question for you is what you know about the science behind bulking and cutting? I have heard a lot about it but don't know the reasoning behind it. Personally, I'm doing them both at the same time. I play rugby here which is 4 days of intense cardio and full-body workout, and 3 days of gym workout which all include cardio. I'm at a happy 5'10 and 192. Now I've only been doing this (routinely) since January so I havn't completely figured my body out yet. Not changing workouts or cardio schedule, I seem to loose a quick 6 pounds and gain 4, therefore less bodyfat %. Now I'm pretty steady around 190. I'm curious to see if I should try cutting, then bulking back up, but it is hard for me to get the 5 meals in a day vs my typical 3. I would be interested in your input, thanks in advance!

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Rich, (Sorry don't know you on a personal level but have read plenty of your posts)

My question for you is what you know about the science behind bulking and cutting? I have heard a lot about it but don't know the reasoning behind it. Personally, I'm doing them both at the same time. I play rugby here which is 4 days of intense cardio and full-body workout, and 3 days of gym workout which all include cardio. I'm at a happy 5'10 and 192. Now I've only been doing this (routinely) since January so I havn't completely figured my body out yet. Not changing workouts or cardio schedule, I seem to loose a quick 6 pounds and gain 4, therefore less bodyfat %. Now I'm pretty steady around 190. I'm curious to see if I should try cutting, then bulking back up, but it is hard for me to get the 5 meals in a day vs my typical 3. I would be interested in your input, thanks in advance!

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People try to over complicate things all the time. It's really as simple as cals in vs cals you burn. Everyone has a daily maintenance level of calories they need to maintain their weight (There are quite a few calculators online that will help figure this out for you, just google it). If you want to cut, eat below it... or above it if you want to bulk. Start decreasing/increasing your cal intake slowly though, don't shock your body into either. You also can rarely ever do both at the same time. This usually only occurs if you have near perfect genetics, are a noob to lifting, or use certain supplements. Some people can do this as well from years of experience and perfecting their diet and training. You need to be really knowledgeable on how your body responds and such.

What happens most of the time is that people just do a clean bulk properly and confuse that for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. With a clean bulk, keeping fat gain down to a minimum is very important. Your goal would be to increase lean muscle mass and keep your body from gaining much fat fat. While your muscle mass increases faster than you gain fat, you're able to have a lower body fat percentage w/o actually burning any fat directly. In a way, you can think of it like your body now having an increased surface area to spread out the fat better lol. This causes your body fat % to decrease w/o actually losing any fat you already previously had. This takes a lot of hard work and perfect diet and training as well.

5 meals a day would definitely be better than 3, but in regards to whether you should try cutting or bulking... well, thats really up to you
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Then I'm not, surely you're the expert though. I posted here for advice, not criticism. Constructive criticism is fine with me, but anything more than "You can't" would be appreciated.

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People try to over complicate things all the time. It's really as simple as cals in vs cals you burn. Everyone has a daily maintenance level of calories they need to maintain their weight (There are quite a few calculators online that will help figure this out for you, just google it). If you want to cut, eat below it... or above it if you want to bulk. Start decreasing/increasing your cal intake slowly though, don't shock your body into either. You also can rarely ever do both at the same time. This usually only occurs if you have near perfect genetics, are a noob to lifting, or use certain supplements. Some people can do this as well from years of experience and perfecting their diet and training. You need to be really knowledgeable on how your body responds and such.

What happens most of the time is that people just do a clean bulk properly and confuse that for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. With a clean bulk, keeping fat gain down to a minimum is very important. Your goal would be to increase lean muscle mass and keep your body from gaining much fat fat. While your muscle mass increases faster than you gain fat, you're able to have a lower body fat percentage w/o actually burning any fat directly. In a way, you can think of it like your body now having an increased surface area to spread out the fat better lol. This causes your body fat % to decrease w/o actually losing any fat you already previously had. This takes a lot of hard work and perfect diet and training as well.

5 meals a day would definitely be better than 3, but in regards to whether you should try cutting or bulking... well, thats really up to you
Thanks for the post, and for clearing things up. So is there any more reasoning for bulking/cutting other than for looks? I mean personally I hit the gym to get stronger more so than the "look." Is cutting going to help me any more than cleaning up and getting rid of excess body fat? Thanks again.

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Thanks guys, but this was from last yr, I'm not that lean anymore... at least not yet, I'll start my cut for the summer in a couple of weeks.

Schrock... Cutting is nothing more than just getting rid of excess body fat. Just like bulking generally means putting on muscle mass. So when you ask if cutting will be any better than cleaning up your diet to get rid of body fat, you're talking about one in the same. Most people do choose to drop body fat simply for looks, however, dropping unnecessary fat can have positive impacts on your overall health and athleticism, so it doesn't have to be done only for looks. If you feel like you need or want to drop some unwanted fat, go for it. If not, and you want to keeping adding strength, continue to "bulk", all up to you
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UPDATE!

Alright, well... it's pretty much been a year since I made this thread, so I figured I'd update it with how my current summer cut is going. I'm pretty pleased with how this cut came along. I'm actually a a few lbs heavier weighing in at 186, but much leaner than I was last June.



The only sh!tty thing about this is I'm pretty much finished cutting now. Finished sooner than expected. Normally, thats a good thing, but I have a cruise booked for mid August, so I'm stuck maintaining for awhile until then.
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