The HorsepowerFreaks M3's Evil Twin - Videos and Pictures

Originally Posted by jt330ci

I feel that if someone is going to spend that much money on this kit they could dish out another grand and buy some good tires. After all stock tires are made to handle 300 horses and now your doubling it with the kit.

You guys are taking what I said too far.

All i'm saying is, everyone likes different things and wants different things.....

Blah, anywayss...

Originally Posted by jt330ci

alot of companies make drag radials. Not many have DOT drag radials that are legal for the street. You guys should check out with the Drag Radial classs lay down at the track. Hoosier and MT make some Drag radials that are pretty much slicks. You guys can try some of those

Now you're getting crazy. If not DOT street approved then might as well be full slicks. I only mentioned drag radials that are DOT approved cause you can drive around fine with them on the street...as long as it doesn't rain or snow.

Anyway, Robert's car rocks. Can't wait to see a vid of him beating something cool on the street at least.

Originally Posted by turboaddiction

Anyway, Robert's car rocks. Can't wait to see a vid of him beating something cool on the street at least.

Thanks for the props man! I'll see about getting some vids, I just gotta find someone to run the camera that doesn't scream like a little girl everytime the tires cut loose.

Originally Posted by Evil Twin Rob

Thanks for the props man! I'll see about getting some vids, I just gotta find someone to run the camera that doesn't scream like a little girl everytime the tires cut loose.

I used one of these for a while:



Mounts to the windshield and stays. Here's a short clip from 0 MPH to 88 MPH to 0 MPH that I filmed with it:



Doesn't scream, and you don't have to clean the passenger seat after.

Originally Posted by pei330ci

Mounts to the windshield and stays. Here's a short clip from 0 MPH to 88 MPH to 0 MPH that I filmed with it:

Did you say 88 mph? Good thing you didn't have the flux capacitor installed! LMAO! That's a pretty cool setup though.

What ever happened to the 500 whp on pump gas and 600 whp on race gas. I see its making over 600 whp on race gas but Horsepower Freaks said it will make 500 whp on pump gas. Why is it only making 415 whp on pump gas now?

Originally Posted by kbmw69

What ever happened to the 500 whp on pump gas and 600 whp on race gas. I see its making over 600 whp on race gas but Horsepower Freaks said it will make 500 whp on pump gas. Why is it only making 415 whp on pump gas now?

Yes, they originally advertised 500 whp on pump gas, and I never asked why it had been lowered. I assumed it was for safety and reliability purposes. With 11.5:1 compression, you can only do so much with pump gas. The knock alarm is a new addition to thier kit, so I suspect they may have discovered a little detonation happening. Chris would be the one to answer this question, because I really have no idea, just thoughts. I believe the stage 2 kit with methanol injection will produce 500 whp on pump gas.

Originally Posted by Evil Twin Rob

Yes, they originally advertised 500 whp on pump gas, and I never asked why it had been lowered. I assumed it was for safety and reliability purposes. With 11.5:1 compression, you can only do so much with pump gas. The knock alarm is a new addition to thier kit, so I suspect they may have discovered a little detonation happening. Chris would be the one to answer this question, because I really have no idea, just thoughts. I believe the stage 2 kit with methanol injection will produce 500 whp on pump gas.

Well put. Yeah that subject has been beaten on other forums and threads. It was just a bad assumption until they started testing and what you said is the case there.

One thing I suggested (in another HPF thread) and now since there might (probably) be a market for HPF to do this:

The e36 guys have been doing a cheaper version of lowering compression by using a 0.140 thickness MLS head gasket. This lowers compression by ~1.5. So this would take the 11.5:1 down to 10.0:1CR which would greatly increase the ability to perform more power on pump fuel. However the labor to remove the head, install the new HG and then reseal the head can be about $1000. So the overall cost is $1000 plus the HG which for the e36 guys is ~$230 plus you need to change to ARP head studs which are a few more bucks. That is cheaper than the methanol upgrade and you never have to worry about methanol. It would be even better to get it down to 9.5:1CR with a thicker one since it would have to be made custom at first anyway. That CR should probably allow HPF to yield well over 500whp on pump fuel.

HPF...are you listening?

If they drop the compression to 9.5:1 I don't see why they couldn't make 550+hp with their setup.
The question is how much does it really cost to remove the head. I paid 3600 bucks and now i feel ripped off especially if it only cost 1k.

hey do we have any 0-60 times with these kits yet?

Originally Posted by turboaddiction

Well put. Yeah that subject has been beaten on other forums and threads. It was just a bad assumption until they started testing and what you said is the case there.

One thing I suggested (in another HPF thread) and now since there might (probably) be a market for HPF to do this:

The e36 guys have been doing a cheaper version of lowering compression by using a 0.140 thickness MLS head gasket. This lowers compression by ~1.5. So this would take the 11.5:1 down to 10.0:1CR which would greatly increase the ability to perform more power on pump fuel. However the labor to remove the head, install the new HG and then reseal the head can be about $1000. So the overall cost is $1000 plus the HG which for the e36 guys is ~$230 plus you need to change to ARP head studs which are a few more bucks. That is cheaper than the methanol upgrade and you never have to worry about methanol. It would be even better to get it down to 9.5:1CR with a thicker one since it would have to be made custom at first anyway. That CR should probably allow HPF to yield well over 500whp on pump fuel.

HPF...are you listening?

I think their goal is more towards a true bolt on kit without opening up the engine...

There is nothing wrong with methenol IMO

Originally Posted by ritos530i

If they drop the compression to 9.5:1 I don't see why they couldn't make 550+hp with their setup.
The question is how much does it really cost to remove the head. I paid 3600 bucks and now I feel ripped off especially if it only cost 1k.

Hmmmm...I have actually been told $750 before. What did they do to your motor where they charged $3600? It doesn't cost that to take your entire motor out, take it apart, put it back together and put it back in the engine bay.

Originally Posted by MSpired

I think their goal is more towards a true bolt on kit without opening up the engine...

There is nothing wrong with methenol IMO

True. Well, I am eagerly waiting to see what the methanol does with pump. It's going to be exciting! Methanol is considered 113 motor octane equivalent. That would mean race fuel number possibilities!

Originally Posted by turboaddiction

True. Well, I am eagerly waiting to see what the methanol does with pump. It's going to be exciting! Methanol is considered 113 motor octane equivalent. That would mean race fuel number possibilities!

Not to mention its cooling properties as well

Originally Posted by supersickbimmer

My car finally made it My god was it hard to ship the car from T.O to Portland. It will be worth it though. Keep us updated Chris.

Fabio.

OMG fabio , u geting this done, damet. good luck plz tell us when the car gets here i wanna see it first hand. BTW what ever happen to ure AA stage II are u selling that im looking for used kit..?

Originally Posted by ritos530i

I am just curious what gears the M3 run. The Corvette has low gears for torque and i know the M3 has low gears as well. This plays a huge differents in my opinion.

Originally Posted by ritos530i

This is the point i was making.
They have different gear ratio so this will play a huge factor in a race.

Sorry this reply is a few pages back. I thought you meant that but you actually said they both have low gears which is untrue.