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Old 05-18-2008, 05:58 AM   #481
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Hi guys just a report back on my vanos seal job 323 E46. Have now done 800km or there about and I'm very happy. The car pulls strongly especially below 3000rpm ( I think that's when vanos does most of its work) Something that has not gone away and maybe someone can give an explanation for, is the following: When I leave work in the afternoon I start the engine and when I barely, and I mean barely, touch the accelerator the refs would drop, but it would otherwise idle smoothly. This would happen a few times and after say a minute of me touching the acc, this dropping of refs would go away and the engine would pick up its refs smoothly and it will not occur again until the following afternoon. Funny but this does not happen in the morning at home summer or winter. I'm actually not sure if this is vanos related or not. Other than that the engine is smooth and pull-offs is especially better. My fuel consumption seems to be better, it went from say 9.3l/100km to about 8.5. Overall the car feels faster and clearly more responsive. Rajaie thank you again
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Old 05-18-2008, 07:57 AM   #482
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Hi guys just a report back on my vanos seal job 323 E46. Have now done 800km or there about and I'm very happy. The car pulls strongly especially below 3000rpm ( I think that's when vanos does most of its work) Something that has not gone away and maybe someone can give an explanation for, is the following: When I leave work in the afternoon I start the engine and when I barely, and I mean barely, touch the accelerator the refs would drop, but it would otherwise idle smoothly. This would happen a few times and after say a minute of me touching the acc, this dropping of refs would go away and the engine would pick up its refs smoothly and it will not occur again until the following afternoon. Funny but this does not happen in the morning at home summer or winter. I'm actually not sure if this is vanos related or not. Other than that the engine is smooth and pull-offs is especially better. My fuel consumption seems to be better, it went from say 9.3l/100km to about 8.5. Overall the car feels faster and clearly more responsive. Rajaie thank you again
The "revs. dropping" thing sounds like what my car was doing when the camshaft position sensor was bad on my car.
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:14 PM   #483
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Motor Oil Plays role in damaging the seals

I have noticed that most people are using the wrong oil for their engines. For example Mobile 1 5W-30. This is just a crappy Group III oil. This will turn the valve cover gasket and all the seal into hard plastic. BMW recommended oil has Group 4 and 5 additives to protect the seals and prevent sludge.

The dealer oil, produced by Castrol is not the same as the crap at Autozone. The dealer oil is a Group III base stock with a heavy portion of Group 4 and 5. I personally use Pentosin or Lubro Moly oils (Made In Germany) and do not have any problems with seal failures or valve cover leaks and I am at 60K.
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:44 PM   #484
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I have noticed that most people are using the wrong oil for their engines. ......I personally use Pentosin or Lubro Moly oils (Made In Germany) and do not have any problems with seal failures or valve cover leaks and I am at 60K.
My car, since new, has had almost exclusively "BMW" oil in it (except for about 4k miles with Redline 5W40) and the valve-cover gasket had hardened and had to be replaced after 40k miles. I don't know what you make of that.

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I have noticed that most people are using the wrong oil for their engines. For example Mobile 1 5W-30. This is just a crappy Group III oil. This will turn the valve cover gasket and all the seal into hard plastic. BMW recommended oil has Group 4 and 5 additives to protect the seals and prevent sludge.

The dealer oil, produced by Castrol is not the same as the crap at Autozone. The dealer oil is a Group III base stock with a heavy portion of Group 4 and 5. I personally use Pentosin or Lubro Moly oils (Made In Germany) and do not have any problems with seal failures or valve cover leaks and I am at 60K.
are you serious...the recommended castrol by BMW is not the same stuff i can get at Autozone...please tell me this isnt true.

i will be using the autozone castrol 5W30 syn. for the first time very soon.... 7Q waiting for me.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:35 AM   #486
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Unhappy I couldn't find this thread!! LOL! UPDATE

Well....its been over a month since I did the vanos seals, probably close to 3000 miles now. And I'm not quite sure the vanos fixed the problems common with most vanos failures (according to fellow members).

I may have a vaccuum leak, I read somewhere in this thread that low rpm hiccupping could be a symptom of vacuum leaks? If so, would that cause the "tick tick tick tick" noise? video/audio of this tick tick tick tick could be found on youtube, I can't remember exactly where it is...just still frustrated.

I spent $60 on the seals, over 400 just for the labor on it, and it probably didn't even do anything.

I'm willing to try it again though, but would like a local fanatic who can do this help me, ONE, so I can see if the shop screwed me, TWO, to learn it myself, THREE, get away from the psycho g/f for a few hours.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:46 AM   #487
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:26 AM   #489
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$400 in labor for an easy DIY.

Oops.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk. I just think it's silly when people pay money for things they can easily do themselves.

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Old 05-19-2008, 08:49 AM   #491
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People are so touchy before they have their coffee.
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^ in the same respect, not everyone wants to DIY maintenance to their cars. you could also have expressed yourself in a better way than providing a sarcastic 'oops'.
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^ in the same respect, not everyone wants to DIY maintenance to their cars. you could also have expressed yourself in a better way than providing a sarcastic 'oops'.
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Old 05-19-2008, 09:02 AM   #494
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This is coming from the same "fill in appropriate adjective and/or noun" that went crying to the moderators?
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Just trying not to clutter an informative thread. If you have a problem with me, try to settle it with some sort of civility.

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lol. You should've kept your mouth shut on such an informative thread. If you've read up on it, you'd see that I've recently had an issue w/ the very topic of this thread.

I can care less if you have 2664 posts and own two bmw's and like hardcorn porn while eating little cupcakes......

I came here to figure out a problem, you came here with intentions of blowing up your ego.
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See, this was much better than what you initially posted. Well, most of it. At least this could be argued. There's no response to what you said before. That was just an ignorant remark.

I don't like hard"corn" porn, but I do like the cupcakes. What does my post count have to do with anything? My $200 84 doesn't run correctly, so I don't brag much about it. Want to buy it?

Sorry I made a sarcastic remark. I know how frustrating it can be to have a problem and not be able to figure it out. But, I have learned the hard way that if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. I spent waaaay too much cash trying to solve self-inflicted problems from my lust for speed and power. Instead, I should have spent a little time, done a little research, and put in the labor to get it done right, the first time. Instead, I wasted about $3000 and 3 months waiting on vendors and shops to help me get it right, which they never did.

So, I do apologize for my sarcasm.

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lol. You should've kept your mouth shut on such an informative thread. If you've read up on it, you'd see that I've recently had an issue w/ the very topic of this thread.

I can care less if you have 2664 posts and own two bmw's and like hardcorn porn while eating little cupcakes......

I came here to figure out a problem, you came here with intentions of blowing up your ego.
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So aside from the obvious......

You're diagnosis is something is wrong, get it fixed.....but I should fix it.



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See, this was much better than what you initially posted. Well, most of it. At least this could be argued. There's no response to what you said before. That was just an ignorant remark.

I don't like hard"corn" porn, but I do like the cupcakes. What does my post count have to do with anything? My $200 84 doesn't run correctly, so I don't brag much about it. Want to buy it?

Sorry I made a sarcastic remark. I know how frustrating it can be to have a problem and not be able to figure it out. But, I have learned the hard way that if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. I spent waaaay too much cash trying to solve self-inflicted problems from my lust for speed and power. Instead, I should have spent a little time, done a little research, and put in the labor to get it done right, the first time. Instead, I wasted about $3000 and 3 months waiting on vendors and shops to help me get it right, which they never did.

So, I do apologize for my sarcasm.
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There's not a lot of obvious. This was the original post you made in this thread.

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I just replaced mine 2 weeks ago....ran awesome first week....then again I didn't want to push it because of the "500 miles break in" for the new seals.

Well...before I even hit 500 ( i'm at about 750 now) i noticed sluggish starts in 1st.....no pull in 2nd and 3rd....and occassionally at some stop lights, puttering idle dipping below 1000rpm's.

WTF? could it be my camshaft position sensor? The check engine light comes on every now and then, scary.....I hate when my car feels like its dying
So, give me some more information. I'll try to help you, or point you in the right direction. There are all sorts of reasons why your car could feel sluggish.

You've said you have some ticking noises and low RPM hiccups. How is your idle? Does it fumble around a little bit? Mine was doing the same thing. I cleaned my MAF, cleaned my throttle body, replaced my throttle body gasket, replaced my intake boots. That got rid of the codes my car was throwing and helped with some power. I traced my ticking down to the DISA valve. Spent $20, got one from a local fanatic. Fixed the ticking that was coming from my intake manifold. Still had the noises coming from the Vanos. Bought the $60 seals. A few hours later, my problems were solved. Because I had first-hand experience, I could tell that the seals were dry and hard. There's no way they were making a good seal. Beisan actually suggest that you drive the car hard to break the seals in a little quicker. I put a lot of miles on my car, so they hit the 500 mile mark within 4 days. A week later, I can still tell that the car feels great.

There are other things to consider, too. You have a 2000 323. How many miles are on it? What oil are you using? Have you ever done a compression test? Do you use a good quality oil filter? I've worked on cars in the past that have been using Fram and other low quality filters and cheap oil. After scolding the owner (always a friend) we repaleced the filter with an OEM and used good quality oil. Lifter tick was greatly reduced, if not gone.

If you are having power problems, it could be the age of your car. Get a compression test. You can have it done by a shop or invest $50 into the tool from a local shop. If there isn't a DIY on the forum, I could pull out my Bentely and help you out. You may just have low compression from worn rings.

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You're diagnosis is something is wrong, get it fixed.....but I should fix it.
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