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Old 07-20-2011, 03:54 PM   #5021
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I recommend starting in the n00b group too. If you're mid or advanced group material, the org will make the appropriate changes (..usually).
+1.. especially if it's your first track day.

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we do have turns!!!! And I'm not parking in none of them. I might not be as fast as the everyday track riders, but I don't feel like putting around behind some noobs either. I'll go in group 2 or 3...not 1
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no offense Howie, but people with that type of attitude piss me off....we get them in Mountain Bike racing all the time. they'll show up for the first race and want mix it up with the big boys (only to get shelled off the back within the first few mins....or worse still they get all cross-eyed and cause a massive pile up)

Beginner racer does not equal "beginner rider", so drop the ego and line up with the rest of the newbies. if you're good enough, trust me you'll be upgraded automatically.
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:03 PM   #5023
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we do have turns!!!! And I'm not parking in none of them. I might not be as fast as the everyday track riders, but I don't feel like putting around behind some noobs either. I'll go in group 2 or 3...not 1
Are you coming to the August trackday at Homestead? I haven't signed up yet, but will if you're going. Is Tony coming? He was in novice ya know. Ask him how fast some people were flying in novice.

The no passing is only the first session, after that its open season. FTD is good, the control riders will notice if you're fast enough. I will talk to Tony West personally if you need to be bumped after the 2-3-4th session. Finally, they say no passing int he corners, but in the classroom they'll tell you its ok to pass way outside if the person is crawling...
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:39 PM   #5025
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damn. I bet he can bust a U in the middle of gridlocked traffic. Note to self: don't lane split away from moto cops!
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moto cops wouldnt catch up to a narrow sportbike in the some of the narrow paths that lane splitting offers us, in most cases.
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moto cops wouldnt catch up to a narrow sportbike in the some of the narrow paths that lane splitting offers us, in most cases.

....Motor cops like to "buzz" riders. It's a good tactic, and it minimizes runners.
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....Motor cops like to "buzz" riders. It's a good tactic, and it minimizes runners.

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I'm guessing a "friendly" nudge on the rear wheel
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ya also curious about le buzzing.
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I prefer to hit my buddy's kill switch right before the light turns green.
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ya also curious about le buzzing.

The "buzz" is basically a technique used to mentally startle a rider and minimize any attempts to run. I'll paint a picture:

Let's assume that a motorcyclist is traveling at 90mph in the number one lane. A Motor officer traveling in the number two lane paces the motorcyclist to determine the rate of speed. Once determining that he is going to cite the rider, the Motor officer will "fly by" or "buzz" the rider at 110mph, for example, to startle and simultaneously block the path of travel while slowing down. The element of surprise is the key here. This is especially effective when the motorcyclist is cruising along the thoroughfare uninhibited by traffic congestion (..and in many cases not paying attention; it's what I call "tunnel riding").

It's common knowledge that patrol vehicles aren't fast (..relatively speaking), nor are police spec motorcycles. Just about any modern sportbike can outrun a police issue motorcycle, so policing techniques must be used to gain the upper hand.

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What's governed speed of their bikes?
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Are you coming to the August trackday at Homestead? I haven't signed up yet, but will if you're going. Is Tony coming? He was in novice ya know. Ask him how fast some people were flying in novice.

The no passing is only the first session, after that its open season. FTD is good, the control riders will notice if you're fast enough. I will talk to Tony West personally if you need to be bumped after the 2-3-4th session. Finally, they say no passing int he corners, but in the classroom they'll tell you its ok to pass way outside if the person is crawling...
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no offense Howie, but people with that type of attitude piss me off....we get them in Mountain Bike racing all the time. they'll show up for the first race and want mix it up with the big boys (only to get shelled off the back within the first few mins....or worse still they get all cross-eyed and cause a massive pile up)

Beginner racer does not equal "beginner rider", so drop the ego and line up with the rest of the newbies. if you're good enough, trust me you'll be upgraded automatically.
I hate u all... I haven't signed up. Tony said he's going just to spectate cuz his boy is racing so that's what my plan was too. I really wanna hit up PBIR and I guess I'll start in the baby group but I guarantee you I won't be happy till I'm out there with the big boys Tony started in the baby group because he needs to be in that group. He just recently got his bike, already laid it down and has about 1/98th the amount of seat time that I've had. I rode with him a few times and he's truly a n00b.

On another note, last night leaving Gatsbys at 2am I saw a tow truck and a few cops around 595 E - Turnpike S bend and there was a bike strapped on its side on the back of the toe truck lookin like optimus prime and the crew had it's way with it. Hope the rider is ok...that's a bad stretch of road when it's wet.


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The "buzz" is basically a technique used to mentally startle a rider and minimize any attempts to run. I'll paint a picture:

Let's assume that a motorcyclist is traveling at 90mph in the number one lane. A Motor officer traveling in the number two lane paces the motorcyclist to determine the rate of speed. Once determining that he is going to cite the rider, the Motor officer will "fly by" or "buzz" the rider at 110mph, for example, to startle and simultaneously block the path of travel while slowing down. The element of surprise is the key here. This is especially effective when the motorcyclist is cruising along the thoroughfare uninhibited by traffic congestion (..and in many cases not paying attention; it's what I call "tunnel riding").

It's common knowledge that patrol vehicles aren't fast (..relatively speaking), nor are police spec motorcycles. Just about any modern sportbike can outrun a police issue motorcycle, so policing techniques must be used to gain the upper hand.
well if you're on a sports bike and you're riding so oblivious to the world that a motorcycle cop can tail you and buzz you, you deserve everthing you get! This is the main reason I keep my mirrors on my bikes while everyone around is screamin' "take them off, they're ugly!"
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The "buzz" is basically a technique used to mentally startle a rider and minimize any attempts to run. I'll paint a picture:

Let's assume that a motorcyclist is traveling at 90mph in the number one lane. A Motor officer traveling in the number two lane paces the motorcyclist to determine the rate of speed. Once determining that he is going to cite the rider, the Motor officer will "fly by" or "buzz" the rider at 110mph, for example, to startle and simultaneously block the path of travel while slowing down. The element of surprise is the key here. This is especially effective when the motorcyclist is cruising along the thoroughfare uninhibited by traffic congestion (..and in many cases not paying attention; it's what I call "tunnel riding").

It's common knowledge that patrol vehicles aren't fast (..relatively speaking), nor are police spec motorcycles. Just about any modern sportbike can outrun a police issue motorcycle, so policing techniques must be used to gain the upper hand.
Had a similar experience with a moto cop on the highway last year, lucky for me I was heads up and watching my mirrors.....I had just worked my way through a group of cars and now had clear road ahead of me, so I opened it up a bit to put some distance on the cars.

After a mile or two, I noticed a distinct set of headlights also pulling away from the cars and gaining on me very quickly. I could tell it was big bike, but not sure if it was a Harley or a BMW (Which APD Moto cops use) so I shut it down right away and pulled in the middle lane. Few secs later I confirmed it was a cop and figured I was screwed.......he just zoomed by me, slowed down for a sec and gave me the "slow down" hand signal, then zoomed off!
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