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New 2008 E92 M3 50 46.30%
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:55 AM   #21
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If i had 55+k to spend on a car it would be a prosche - you can get a nice 997s used or even a 996 turbo and save the left over money. Those 2 are my 2 choices in 2 years
That would get you a new Z4 M Coupe.
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:02 AM   #22
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That would get you a new Z4 M Coupe.

But c'mon... 996turbo or 997S vs. M coupe?
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Couple things wrong here.

1) it is SMG III
2) you CAN turn off DSC fully on the M5 with 6MT
How positive are you about DSC? Because last time I was at the track I was there with the co-owner of my local dealer and he was driving an M6 6 speed and I asked him about it and he confirmed everything I had read. Now, unless the DSC on the M5 & M6 are different, I dont think you can FULLY disable it. You can turn it off and allow wheel spin, but it won't allow much lateral movement.
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Old 04-25-2008, 10:26 AM   #24
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But c'mon... 996turbo or 997S vs. M coupe?
Sure. I had the same options a few months ago, and I picked the M Coupe. I looked at the 996 twin turbo, 997 (not the S - the 997S is still kind of steep actually), and the Cayman S. To me, the M Coupe is much better-looking, more fun to drive, and less expensive to buy and run.

Some of my decision flows from the fact that I've already owned 3 Porsches. There's a bit of BTDT, less of that "Ooh, it's a Porsche" awe. Lots of people get swept up by that (lots never get past it, really). And the new cars are completely tamed. The old Porsches took skill and practice to drive well - now, the car itself will make you look like you know what you're doing. You've got to get into the GT cars to get the sort of visceral charge you get from the Z4M right off the bat.

All that said, while I'm happy with the car, I'm less happy with BMW. The Z4M could have been a legend from the get-go, a sensation along the lines of the R8, and they dropped the ball somewhat - it's missing some minor tweaks that would let it touch greatness (wich I'm adding, btw). Even so, it's a great, under-rated sports car. I seriously think I'll still be enjoying it 10 years from now, maybe more.
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unless the m5 comes out with m-dct, i'd get the m3 with m-dct. the transmission makes the car significantly faster.
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Just go find the video of the Remus on the e92. The decision will be clear
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Sure. I had the same options a few months ago, and I picked the M Coupe. I looked at the 996 twin turbo, 997 (not the S - the 997S is still kind of steep actually), and the Cayman S. To me, the M Coupe is much better-looking, more fun to drive, and less expensive to buy and run.

Some of my decision flows from the fact that I've already owned 3 Porsches. There's a bit of BTDT, less of that "Ooh, it's a Porsche" awe. Lots of people get swept up by that (lots never get past it, really). And the new cars are completely tamed. The old Porsches took skill and practice to drive well - now, the car itself will make you look like you know what you're doing. You've got to get into the GT cars to get the sort of visceral charge you get from the Z4M right off the bat.

All that said, while I'm happy with the car, I'm less happy with BMW. The Z4M could have been a legend from the get-go, a sensation along the lines of the R8, and they dropped the ball somewhat - it's missing some minor tweaks that would let it touch greatness (wich I'm adding, btw). Even so, it's a great, under-rated sports car. I seriously think I'll still be enjoying it 10 years from now, maybe more.
great point... just to clarify however, I wasn't referring to the badge or the marque, but rather the driving experience. Admittedly, I've had little seat time in the Z4M but in comparison to the 997S, it felt less powerful and precise (as it should considering the price delta). If having a new car is a must, the Z4M is not a bad alternative.
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Admittedly, I've had little seat time in the Z4M but in comparison to the 997S, it felt less powerful and precise (as it should considering the price delta).
I'd agree with that diagnosis - the 997S has another 20hp and comes into its torque peak a bit lower. In fact, all of the Porsches feel more precise - one of the things about Porsches is that the empty front end allows for scalpel-like precision in your steering.

IMO, BMW flubbed the Z4M on 3 points that woiuld have made it a serious, effective competitor to the 911. The car should have come with CSL or ZCP wheels, better tires than the stock Contis, and the 3.91 "Motorsport" gears should be standard, rather than the 3.62 used in the M3. The Z4M is close to the base 997 in most specs, but the 997 has a 3.88 dfinal drive while the Z4Ms come with a 3.62. The 3.91 gears, combined with the higher redline of the S54, would move the the Z4M ahead in performance, if not refinement, using parts they have lying around.
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I wanted to get everyone's opinion. Seeing that the new BMW M3's sticker price is right around $70,000. I see that number and a used 2006 M5 comes to mind as well. What would you rather buy with your money, New M3 or used M5? Why?
base is 55k well equipped 65k 70k maxxed to the top

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How positive are you about DSC? Because last time I was at the track I was there with the co-owner of my local dealer and he was driving an M6 6 speed and I asked him about it and he confirmed everything I had read. Now, unless the DSC on the M5 & M6 are different, I dont think you can FULLY disable it. You can turn it off and allow wheel spin, but it won't allow much lateral movement.
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matt's right ^^

you can disable DSC on 6MT M5 and M6s - at first you couldn't, but BMW came out with an update allowing it.

go for the M5, you won't regret it.
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nice whip, how do you like the NEW m3?!?
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Weak? Compared to the M5, sure, but it's far from weak in its own realm.
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Such a tough call. I made it 38-38 voting for the m5. I heard an m5 with esseinmann exhaust take it all the way to redline going over a bridge and I a little. Such an amazing sound.
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by now, i'm sure he made his decision already.............lol
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Weak? Compared to the M5, sure, but it's far from weak in its own realm.
Humor him; he's part of the old e46 loyalists.

Basically if it's not his car so it sucks.

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