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Old 06-23-2008, 11:28 AM   #1
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Should I use high mileage oil if I have 105k miles?

I'm about to make my first oil change to my 323i but I don't know if I should use high mileage oil or just regular oil. I've read about using fully synthetic. Also, can I the oil filter at any Auto Zone? There is no dealership close here so I cannot buy the BMW one.

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Old 06-23-2008, 11:35 AM   #2
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im guessing by "high mileage" oil you mean thicker oil. my answer would be no. i have 126k and i use 5w-40. OEM oil is 5w-30 so you can always use that. some people run 0w-40 mobil 1 with no problems (probably have to add some though). whatever it is, make sure its FULLY synthetic.

as for the filter, i get mine from bavauto.com

it's the stock mann filter.
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I plan to use this for my next oil change.

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Old 06-23-2008, 11:45 AM   #4
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I'm about to make my first oil change to my 323i but I don't know if I should use high mileage oil or just regular oil.
Do not use "high mileage" oil.
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I've read about using fully synthetic.
Use a BMW LL-01 approved oil
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Also, can I the oil filter at any Auto Zone? There is no dealership close here so I cannot buy the BMW one.
Use a Mann, Mahle, or Hengst filter.
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I plan to use this for my next oil change.

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That's a poor choice, HTHS viscosity is too low.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:57 AM   #5
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Stick with Mobil 1 0w-40 fully synthetic and you'll be good to go.

I've used "high mileage" oils in my Caravan, and honestly, I can't tell the difference from dino. Since it's double the cost, I'd rather just stick with dino. Or for just alittle bit more, I'll go with synthetic.
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Thanks for all the answers. Anyone have experience with the K&N HP-7007 filter? They sell it at autozone for 20 bucks and is the one that fits my 323i (as well as a Fram)

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Do not use "high mileage" oil.
Use a BMW LL-01 approved oil
That's a poor choice, HTHS viscosity is too low.
What about this?

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Old 06-23-2008, 12:32 PM   #8
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I'm about to make my first oil change to my 323i but I don't know if I should use high mileage oil or just regular oil. I've read about using fully synthetic. Also, can I the oil filter at any Auto Zone? There is no dealership close here so I cannot buy the BMW one.

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It's recommended that you use BMW approved oil. If you want to stick with OEM and there's no dealership close to where you live, you can always order it from tischer bmw (www.mileoneparts.com) and order the filter at the same time.

You can also use Castrol Syntec 0W-30 European Formula, which is approved by BMW because it's listed it meets BMW LL-01 spec. I got it from Autozone.

As for oil filter, you can use Mann or K&N Performance Oil Filter (Kragen is cheaper than Autozone though). I use the K&N and couldn't be happier. It's made in Germany though.

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I think that's a pretty poor choice as well.

If you look at the viscosity ranges of BMW LL-01 approved oils, the Kv100 runs from a low of 11.3 to a high of 14.1. The Kv40 viscosity runs from a low of 63.6 to a high of 93. The Royal Purple 5W-40 has a Kv100 of 15.9 and a Kv40 of 94.2 - basically, it's too thick.
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Thanks for all the answers. Anyone have experience with the K&N HP-7007 filter? They sell it at autozone for 20 bucks and is the one that fits my 323i (as well as a Fram)
I'm not particularly familar with either one, but I would caution you to be very careful in your choice of filters. Poor air filtration is one of the main causes of premature engine wear.
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Thanks for all the answers. Anyone have experience with the K&N HP-7007 filter? They sell it at autozone for 20 bucks and is the one that fits my 323i (as well as a Fram)
I'd stay away from Fram. They are inexpensive for a reason.

Stick with OEM or Mann as many fellows in this forum recommend it.

If you go with the K&N route, get it from Kragen, it's cheaper there as their in-store price is only $9.99. Autozone sells it for $20 like you said.
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I'd stay away from Fram. They are inexpensive for a reason.

Stick with OEM or Mann as many fellows in this forum recommend it.

If you go with the K&N route, get it from Kragen, it's cheaper there as their in-store price is only $9.99. Autozone sells it for $20 like you said.
I found the K&N for 11.50 in another store. I think the price is fair but is it a good choice this brand?
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I personally just starting to use the K&N High Performance Oil Filter and I find it great, but that's just me - one person. A few months ago, I ask the same question in this forum, and it appears nobody has used it so I TOFTT.
I combined it with Castrol Syntec 0W-30 European Formula, and I feel the car runs stronger. Don't know if it has to do with it or not.

If you're un-sure, go with the OEM or Mann. Many fellows in this forum have used it and it's been proven the same quality as OEM.
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Thanks for all the answers. Anyone have experience with the K&N HP-7007 filter? They sell it at autozone for 20 bucks and is the one that fits my 323i (as well as a Fram)
Thats pretty high for a cartridge filter. Why not go OEM for about $7-$9? Don't think there is anything magical about the K&N over the OE other than marketing.

Also, as said, wouldn't use the HM oils either. Spend the few extra bucks and go synthetic. Especially in that heat y'all have in TX. Good choice would be the Castrol Syntec 0W-30 (in the rack at Autozone near those outragiously priced K&N filters ) or go to the dealer and get some BMW High Performance Synthetic 5W-30 (aka dealer oil) while picking up a couple OE filters. You do have a BMWCCA card for the discount, right?

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That's a poor choice, HTHS viscosity is too low.
Really? I used Mobil 1 5w30 - not the high mileage crap, just the regular stuff. No issues at all over the last 50k miles (now at 119k). I have no idea what HTHS is, but does this not meet the same spec as the BMW 5w30 full syn?
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Really? I used Mobil 1 5w30 - not the high mileage crap, just the regular stuff. No issues at all over the last 50k miles (now at 119k). I have no idea what HTHS is, but does this not meet the same spec as the BMW 5w30 full syn?
No.
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Really? I used Mobil 1 5w30 - not the high mileage crap, just the regular stuff. No issues at all over the last 50k miles (now at 119k). I have no idea what HTHS is, but does this not meet the same spec as the BMW 5w30 full syn?
Nope.

HTHS = High Temp High Shear viscosity for which BMW specs a minimum value of 3.5 mPa.s

The thing with using oil of the wrong viscosity is that the problems are more long term than immediate. You'll be fine for a while, but eventually the increased wear rate will catch up with you.
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jpr beat me to it before I could expand on my dickishly short reply.

HTHS is an oils abilty to resisit breakdown over time/use (either oxidatively or through shear) and is expressed numerically. In it's case, the higher the better the resistance. An HTHS rating of 3.5 or higher is a key component of BMW's LL-01 spec. It is also key in the European scale (ACEA) to earn an A3 ranking. Both were implemented for a longer service interval, like BMW's 15K benchmark. Currently, the Mobil 1 0W-40 is the only READILY available oil from Exxon/Mobil thats meets both BMW LL-01 and ACEA A3.

If you're interested, there is a nifty little website www.bobistheoilguy.com that has been around for awhile. Chock full of very in-depth information centering around oil. It's the site where I got my lubrication education from.
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Don't use high mileage oil. They contain seal conditions that are supposed to minimize an oil leak if you have one. If you don't have an oil leak, then what's the point. Besides, who knows what the seal conditions are doing to other parts in the engine...

Mobil 1 0w40 meets BMW LL-01. Use that or you can do a search for other oils that are BMW LL-01 approved. The BMW 5w30 oil from the dealer isn't really that much more expensive than a good synthetic from a chain. Of course, just like other 'parts' I'm sure BMW oil prices differ between dealers. Search around. I know the OP doesn't live near a dealer. Just pointing this out to other folks.

As folks have mentioned, get Mahle, Mann, or OEM oil filters. Some vendors sell a bunch together (e.g. 10 Mahle/Mann filters) so the price works out to be $5 or $6 a filter. You probably don't need that many. However, if you and a friend or two split the cost, then it works out pretty well. Do a search for some vendors.
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