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Old 06-27-2008, 02:35 PM   #1
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Hi All. Been searching and no luck on this. Changed out my control arms and bushings to Meyle HDs. Had alignment done and all 4 wheels balanced. Had to bring the car back several times when the front end shimmied. Some improvement but still wasn't right. Even went to a second place for balancing and no luck. Changed out the cheap tires that were on there (even though they had good tread and were wearing evenly. Still getting a vibration at highway speeds, usually starts around 70 mph. New tires were recommended by and balanced by a BMWCCA guy who told me that the rims looked good and had no evidence of damage.
I had changed out the CA/CABs due to side-to-side play in the front wheels. I notice there is still some of that going on in the strut area. Is that normal? I don't have any symptoms of bad struts.
Hoping for some suggestions - car is a 2002 325i with about 89K.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:25 PM   #2
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Can't decide if I'm going to get a RoadForce balancing, which I've als heard referred to as match mounting. Tire Pro does it for $35 per wheel. The dealer told me his opinion is that Roadforce just hides defects in the tires. Since my tires are new and didn't solve the problem of wheel shake, maybe the RoadForce will hide any defects in the rims. Or I could maybe get the rims looked at by a specialist. Seems to me if the rims are bent or damaged, the balancer would not be able to get a good balance. I'll probably mess with the tires and move fronts to back, etc., to see if that helps.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:58 PM   #3
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Warped rotors that are binding ?, Not to joke around but I had a vibration coming in at 80km/h and under light braking, and So I thought it was CAB's Replaced the bushings about a week later the problem slowly came back. So I replaced front rotors, 10'000km's later still not hassles.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:09 PM   #4
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if you search my threads youll see ive been through alot of crap with my wheel shaking, after i hit a bump on the freeway i had to replace my front rims and tires, cost me 1,000 dollars, yup, check out your rims, have someone do it, your situation is the same as mine but i hit a bump, my FCABS are new too. good luck cuz this sucks really bad.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:09 PM   #5
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ohh and yes you can balance your wheels if they are not good.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:58 PM   #6
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Thanks guys. Brake rotors don't seem to be a problem since braking is smooth. However, I am ready to change them all out as soon as I get to it - their close to min spec. If the rims might be the culprit, I'll get them looked at so the feedback is appreciated. I would be more apt to blame the BMW design (as one of the shops did), but I recently had a similar experience with my wife's 4Runner - brand new Yokohamas from TireRack which I very nearly sent back (after many trips back to their recommended installer and others). Finally, the RoadForce balance got it OK. Hope to get the bimmer figured out quick so I can start enjoying it again.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:05 PM   #7
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I suspect that the problem is your rotors. Especially if they are close to min spec. Just because you do not feel a shimmy when braking does not mean that it is not a problem with your brake rotors.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:14 PM   #8
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I dealt with vibration issues when I first got my 328 I found that there were several culprits contributing. Namely:
CABs
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If you have non-directional tires try swapping your wheels around to see if that helps.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:03 PM   #9
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Matchmounting is not the same as roadforce, & roadforce corrects imperfections it doesn't hide them
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:23 AM   #10
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Sorry to bump such an old thread, but do you have any update kpitrlng?

I have the same exact problem as you. I replaced my CA and bushings with Meyle HD about a year and a half ago. Ever since changing them out I have had steering wheel vibrations from around 60-65 mph and up. Sometimes it comes and goes and is not really constant all the time. I have had two alignments in the past year, road force balanced all my wheels and changed my brake pads and rotors and the vibration is still there. Logic leads me to believe the CA or bushings are bad since the vibration wasn't there until I installed them. I think I am going to install new bushings and see if that fixes my problem. The vibration in the steering wheel drives me crazy on the highway.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:56 AM   #11
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You have movement where in the strut area?? You are mistaken to believe that the struts and shocks must still be good at 89K. They surely could be the problem! I assume that the alignment guy checked the tierod assemblies, rack and steering column joint? And I assume that the balance guy checked the wheels for runout? Looks ok isn't good enough!
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Old 09-29-2008, 04:51 PM   #12
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also keep this in mind guys, when we get new bushings and new stiffer heavy duty bushings since its stiffer it may cause our wheels to shake, when the bushings are loose it may hide it, if this makes sense.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:29 PM   #13
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Sorry to bump such an old thread, but do you have any update kpitrlng?

I have the same exact problem as you. I replaced my CA and bushings with Meyle HD about a year and a half ago. Ever since changing them out I have had steering wheel vibrations from around 60-65 mph and up. Sometimes it comes and goes and is not really constant all the time. I have had two alignments in the past year, road force balanced all my wheels and changed my brake pads and rotors and the vibration is still there. Logic leads me to believe the CA or bushings are bad since the vibration wasn't there until I installed them. I think I am going to install new bushings and see if that fixes my problem. The vibration in the steering wheel drives me crazy on the highway.
So I got the wheels RoadForce balanced and it definitely improved the vibration. I'm still not completely satisfied but I had to move on. Between my wife's new tires for her 4Runner and my own new tires I must have returned to or tried new shops about 15 times to address steering wheel shake. The vibration in mine is now slight and much less aggravating. I haven't ruled out struts or tie rods yet but I can't justify any more $$$ on the front end right now. I figure if it's one or both of those issues, I'll have to deal with it before too long. I mentioned struts earlier because I moved the wheels from side to side when they were in the air and had slight play and noticed that the slot and pin of the strut assembly is where I could see movement. I don't necessarily think that's a strut problem. Good luck with yours - hope you get back to enjoying the otherwise great E46.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:36 PM   #14
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also keep this in mind guys, when we get new bushings and new stiffer heavy duty bushings since its stiffer it may cause our wheels to shake, when the bushings are loose it may hide it, if this makes sense.
I did consider that - and hope these bushings "loosen up" over time to lessen steering wheel vibration. That might be wishful thinking. One concern I had when changing out the CAs/bushings was that the bolt holes for the bushing carriers did not line up very well and I had to really twist them into position. I figured the control arm ends would find their positions in the bushings after driving.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:44 PM   #15
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You have movement where in the strut area?? You are mistaken to believe that the struts and shocks must still be good at 89K. They surely could be the problem! I assume that the alignment guy checked the tierod assemblies, rack and steering column joint? And I assume that the balance guy checked the wheels for runout? Looks ok isn't good enough!
I don't disagree with that. Problem is, the shops around my area all pretty much suck. I did ask each one to check for any other possible causes like looseness in the struts, shocks etc. None showed any concern about those - all they seem to want to do is re-balance. Very distressing the lack of helpful and knowledgeable technicians, at least concerning front end issues. And I'm scared to death to go back to the dealer after an attempted shakedown there. I guess BMW is pretty confident that their cars are so loved that they can allow and possible condone the criminal behavior at their dealerships.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:24 PM   #16
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I have the same issue. It started after I replaced my control arms and bushings with Meyle HD ones. A slight steering wheel vibration at speed of 100 km/h and up that seems to get worse with speed. An alignment helped slightly. Next on my list is wheel balancing. If that does not resolve it, the only thing I can think of are tie rod ends and strut mounts. My car has 175k KM
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:07 PM   #17
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I know this is kind of late but do you have any update on this. I just replaced my CA's/CAB's with Myle ones. I have a ridiculous vibration that goes in and out. I've had the wheels aligned and balanced. It was vibrating before the replacement around 70-75 mph now its worse around 60-65 mph. Anyone have any suggestions? BTW i have 114,000 miles on it.
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:34 PM   #18
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It seems like the common thread here is the Myle HD control arm bushings. I'm also experiencing the same steering wheel vibration at 60+mph after installing new Myle CAB's. I also installed new Koni dampers at the same time, so I'm sure the struts are good. Further, I'm experiencing the same symptoms with two sets of wheels/tires - stock wheels with performance all-season tires, and Kosei K1's with Ventus RS3's - so I don't think it could be wheels / tires either. It's possible my tie-rod ends are worn, but it seems strange this problem would show up just after changing the bushings.

Maybe it has something to do with the resonant frequency of the Myle bushing compound that it gets excited at freeway speeds?
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:57 PM   #20
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check for possible caliper failure. I replaced bushings, lower control arms, inner/outer tie rods, hubs, tires, rotors & pads only to find out my caliper was sticking causing vibration in steering wheel at 65+ mph.
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