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Old 09-30-2008, 05:07 PM   #1
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DICE - I wish I knew this before I bought it.

The dice is incapable of waking up the ipod out of "hibernation". This means if you leave your ipod plugged in when you go to a dinner,work, get home (anything around 1hr +/-) the ipod will not turn back on by just starting your car. You have to manually wake the ipod up by touching it or disconnecting / reconnecting before you start the car.

If I would have known this before I would not have purchased the DICE. I thought the whole point of the DICE is that you plug your ipod in and put it in the glove box and forget it. Then the Ipod could be accessed through your radio controls.

The Dice has great sound quality and some good features but to me it is missing the most important thing...being able to turn the ipod on in the first place.

I have two other cars with aftermarket stereos with ipod connectivity and they both can wake the ipod out of hibernation.

I just wanted to get this info out there because I wish somebody would have told me explicitly about it.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:08 PM   #2
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Mine does that too, but it takes well over 12 hours before deep hibernation.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:10 PM   #3
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never had that happen ever.. i leave it in the car over night as well.. i just always shut the radio off before exiting the car, then when i turn the radio on, it reconnects no issues at all.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:14 PM   #4
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It's really puzzling to me, the shortcuts that DICE has taken in building it's product. My Icelink+ (thankfully) keeps working like a trooper. It has no problems waking my iPod from hibernation. Another shortcoming of the DICE: it's interaction with the built-in BMW Bluetooth feature. With my Icelink+, when a call comes in, it pauses the iPod. With the DICE, the iPod's sound is muted, but is left playing. Why? Bizarre!

The DICE is/was constantly touted as the next generation or replacement of the Icelink+, but for some reason DICE decided to leave out, what I think, are some pretty basic features.
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:21 PM   #5
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:16 PM   #6
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"Mine does that too, but it takes well over 12 hours before deep hibernation."

mine is appears to be doing it around 30 min +/-

"never had that happen ever.. i leave it in the car over night as well.. i just always shut the radio off before exiting the car, then when i turn the radio on, it reconnects no issues at all."

I'll try this tonight thanks for the info.

Anyone else have any ideas or thoughts?
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:39 PM   #7
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good info, Thanks
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:41 PM   #8
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What kind of ipod is it? Mine can be in my car for over a day or two and still not hibernate...2nd gen mini.
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:47 PM   #9
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I don't have to disconnect my dice to get it to turn on the ipod. I can turn the car off for a day, 1 week, or just 5 minutes and it will do something different everytime. Sometimes it will play music right away regardless of time spent off. Sometimes it will say "disconnected" and all that I have to do is turn the radio off then back on. Once in a great while I have to disconnect it because no text displays on the screen and I cannot control the ipod through the radio/wheel controls. It had different set of symptoms in my previous E46.
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Old 10-01-2008, 02:27 AM   #10
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The time taken to enter deep sleep (older iPods) is about 36 hours, hibernation (newer iPods) is about 14 hours.

Older iPods include : Gen 3, Gen 4, Photo and Mini.

Newer iPods include : Video, Classic, Nano Gen 1,2,3 & 4.

The Touch is a little different and can enter hibernation mode very quickly, just a few minutes in some circumstances.

Older iPods can be forced into deep sleep quickly by placing an empty file called _short_deepsleep in the iPod_Control\Device folder on the iPod, this maes the iPod enter deep sleep after about 10 minutes. You can prevent deep sleep with an empty file called _no_DeepSleep on older iPods, but not newer ones. You can also prevent deep sleep or hibernation by using calendar reminders, the exact frequency of the reminders depends on the type of iPod.

There is a lot of information about iPods and Sleep modes etc here.
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:30 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the great info guys. I have a 5th gen 30 gb video.

Last night I turned the radio off with the ipod / dice recognized and then turned the car off. This morning I started the car and turned the radio on and the ipod / dice was recognized!!! (this was after 8 hrs) So this looks to be a pretty good work around.

Tonight I'll try:
Just turning the radio off and on.
After the ipod is not recognized turning off the radio letting the car set and then starting and turning radio on to confirm it can wake it up.

I played around with trying to make reminders but it appears that I have to download some third party software to get them in the correct format. (I'm not a MAC guy)
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Old 10-01-2008, 06:33 AM   #12
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I played around with trying to make reminders but it appears that I have to download some third party software to get them in the correct format. (I'm not a MAC guy)
There are some links to reminder files in the link I posted above.
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Old 10-01-2008, 06:54 AM   #13
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The only ipod interface that wakes up the ipod AFAIK is the Intravee II and the modded Alpine KCA-410i, I have one it it works as described, my ipod just sits in the boot (trunk) all the time and "wakes" from hibernation when the modded Alpine KCA-410i powers on.

The dice is a good product, but is little better than a AUX connection IMO, I tested the Dice Silverline and the Intravee II back to back and for me the choice was obvious.

Have a look for yourself.

http://www.intravention.co.uk/

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BTW I have no axe to grind, the dice is a good product if you are on a budget, but if you have Nav or want better OEM style integration go for the Intravee.

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Old 10-01-2008, 07:57 AM   #14
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There are some links to reminder files in the link I posted above.
10-4 richardp I looked at your link after posting. I will definitely try couple of those tricks out.

My inital problem though doesn't appear to be the deep hibernation though because if the car sets for 30min or so it won't wake up. I'll definitely be trying all these tips out tonight.

I think turning the radio off \on though will satisfy the boss for the time being.(the dice was a b-day present for my wife)
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:14 AM   #15
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Final update:

Well the DICE does not consistently wake up after 10-15min regardless of what is done. I can do any of these and the DICE will not be recognized:

Turn radio off before turning car off. Turn radio on after car is started.
Turning ipod on while connected to DICE before starting car.
Turning ipod on connecting to dice then starting car.
Starting car then turning ipod on.
Starting car then connect ipod.

The only way to get the dice to wake up every time is to start the car, turn it off, and then restart it. I have tried everything I could find and was recommended but the DICE still does not appear to work properly. I am keeping the DICE though because I don't want to waste any more time uninstalling and it will still get used for long trips. I will not be buying any DICE products in the future.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:36 PM   #16
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i use a USA Spec adaptor from crutchfield. it costs the same as the DICE. i works a lot like the BMW ipod connection... it can use 5 BMW specific playlists, with full controls on the car deck, but you can also pickup your ipod and control it. unlike the DICE, you can't control playlists other than the 5 BMW specific ones using the radio controls. you can control whatever you want using the ipod itself though. you also get full text display like the dice. i have had some minor buzzing problems when the car's lights are on, but i seem to have gotten it to an acceptable level. i was tempted to return mine and use the DICE, but it seems that thing has so many reliability problems. as for wake up issues... my ipod wakes up as soon as i open the car door. it does not start playing until turn the car on though, (and of course it doesn't play if i'm listening to CD or radio) as for bluetooth issues, i don't use any so i can't say. it also features RCA stereo plugs to add an AUX input. last thing. after you turn the radio/car off, the ipod continues to charge for a time and then turns off. so your ipod always stays charged. there is one catch, though it seems that this is common to all ipod adapters. if you use an ipod classic, itouch, or iphone and use the newest firmware, then the hybrid mode that lets you control using both the ipod and the deck will not work. this is an issue with apple. for me, i have an ipod classic and if i want to use the ipod to control my music, then i don't get text displayed on the screen, and i don't get the use of the 5 BMW playlists. i can use the forward/next controls on the deck steering wheel though. i have decided to trade my ipod with a friend for his ipod video that doesn't have this issue. it seems like the best /most reliable choice.
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:41 AM   #17
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After reading this thread, I went for the Intravee. I'd never heard about it before, and I think that's a little strange since it seems much better.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:07 AM   #18
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Not the only problems with the DICE. The firmware in teh DICE unit sucks too. Text displays are often wrong, and I always have a song playing but the DICe chooses to display a completely erroneous album title for the song that is playing. That is software, and that is my beef with the DICE. It works great physicall with changing tracks, and finding songs, but the stuff they choose to use to sell the product, text displays etc., are sub par at best. They need a BIG firmware update for there product. Mine is still showing albums missing from playlist that are physically on the IPOD but aren't recognized by the DICE.

It works yes, but for the money they charge for the little box, I expect a few more things to work better, like displaying the correct album title with the song that is playing.
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Not the only problems with the DICE. The firmware in teh DICE unit sucks too. Text displays are often wrong, and I always have a song playing but the DICe chooses to display a completely erroneous album title for the song that is playing. That is software, and that is my beef with the DICE. It works great physicall with changing tracks, and finding songs, but the stuff they choose to use to sell the product, text displays etc., are sub par at best. They need a BIG firmware update for there product. Mine is still showing albums missing from playlist that are physically on the IPOD but aren't recognized by the DICE.

It works yes, but for the money they charge for the little box, I expect a few more things to work better, like displaying the correct album title with the song that is playing.
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