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Old 08-11-2008, 10:04 AM   #1
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Diesel 335d and X5d... thoughts and comments?

Love it? Hate it?

Would you drive one?

Why or why not?

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Old 08-11-2008, 01:30 PM   #2
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X5 d => yes. Thats where a diesel belongs, in a truck

335d => No. Now, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind owning one or driving one, but, no, I prefer not to. They just sound like a truck, you know. There was one at the gasstation the other day, a coupe. Now thats a good looking car, untill the driver started the engine. Damn, that sounded stupid, specially comming from a coupe. Sorry, but diesels and coups/cabrio's just don't mix imo. Oh, and there is no fun shifting at 4000 rpm.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:38 PM   #3
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id drive a diesel in anything if bmw made it...well other than 318i or 318 at all
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335d = torque monster
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:41 PM   #5
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doesn't realy matter that much on such a short power band, specially if you compare it to a 335i, which allso is a torque monster, but has a much wider power band. RPM's make the difference.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:20 AM   #6
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I'd take the 335d over the 335i
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:32 AM   #7
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i'd take the x5'd over the 335'd
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having it as DD and buy something that burns gasoline for fun drives?
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:34 PM   #9
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Love it? Hate it?

Would you drive one?

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No manual transmission = no sale. I can't believe that BMW is not offering the 335d with a 6sp manual...
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:21 PM   #10
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What would the mileage be on the x5? I can imagine nice mileage in a 335d but in a huge SUV I dunno.....

Also would have to hear the exhaust noise hehe
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:36 PM   #11
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I laid it all out for the 335's.

335d - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 23/33 Fuel Capacity: 15.9gal (est.)
524.7 miles/tank
$66.62 to fill tank
$0.126 / mile to drive (12.6 cents)
7.87 gal/dollar


335i - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 17/26 (20/29 per Edmunds data) Fuel Capacity: 15.9gal
413.4 miles/tank
$60.26 to fill tank
$0.145 / mile to drive (14.5 cents)
6.86 gal/dollar

461.1 miles/tank (Edmunds data)
$60.26 to fill tank
$0.13 /mile (13 cents) (Edmunds data)
7.65 gal/dollar (Edmunds data)


Local Gas Prices:
Premium/91 Octane - $3.79
Diesel - $4.19


Cost to drive per year (if gas prices remain steady at current prices):

335d: $1512 @12k miles / $1890 @15k miles
335i: $1740 @12k miles / $2175 @15k miles ($1560 / $1950 per Edmunds data)

Cost Increase/adjustment of 335d over 335i: +$3,000 (est.)

It costs $228/year more to operate the 335i. BUT, the 335i is still cheaper overall. On the average driving budget of 12k miles/year, it'd take almost 14 years for the 335d to pay for itself over the 335i when you account for the projected $3000 premium for the diesel engine model.
If you drive 15k miles/year, the 335i is $285/year more expensive. You'd have to own the 335d for about 11 years for the engine to pay for itself.

So is it worth it? You lose 35bhp and gain 125lb/ft torque. And your 0-60 acceleration goes from 5.0sec in the 335i up to 6.2sec in the 335d.
To me, it's not worth it. It's just not. If Diesel were substantially cheaper, then yeah it would be better for me to get the 335d.

I'll post the X5 results next.


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Old 08-25-2008, 10:13 PM   #12
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X5 3.0si vs 4.8i vs xDrive 35d

Here are the X5 numbers:

X5 3.0si - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 15/21 (17/23 per Edmunds) Fuel Capacity 22.5gal 260hp/220lb-ft torque 7.8sec 0-60
472.5 miles/tank
$85.27 to fill tank
$0.18/mile (18 cents)
5.54 miles/dollar


X5 xDrive 35d - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 19/25 Fuel Capacity 22.5gal (est.) 265hp/425lb-ft torque 7.4sec 0-60 (est.)
562.5 miles/tank
$94.27 to fill tank
$0.167 /mile (16.7 cents)
5.96 miles/dollar


X5 xDrive 35i - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 15/20 Fuel Capacity 22.5gal (est.) 300hp/300lb-ft torque 6.2sec 0-60 (est.)
450 miles/tank
$85.27 to fill tank
$0.189 /mile
5.27 miles/dollar


X5 4.8i - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 14/19 (15/21 per Edmunds) Fuel Capacity 22.5gal 350hp/350lb-ft torque 6.4sec 0-60
427.5 miles/tank
$85.27 to fill tank
$.199 /mile (19.9 cents)
5.01 miles/dollar


X5 xDrive 50i - Fuel Economy (city/hwy) 13/18 Fuel Capacity 22.5gal 400hp/450lb-ft torque 5.3sec 0-60 (est.)
405 miles/tank
$85.27 to fill tank
$0.21/mile (21 cents)
4.75 miles/dollar


Premium/91 Octane - $3.79/gal
Diesel - $4.19/gal

Annual Fuel Costs:
3.0si - $2160 @12k miles / $2700 @15k miles ($1968 / $2460 if using Edmunds data)
35d - $2004 @12k miles / $2505 @15k miles (plus initial proposed $3k cost adjustment for Diesel engine)
35i - $2268 @12k miles / $2835 @15k miles
4.8i - $2388 @12k miles / $2985 @15k miles ($2160 / $2700 if using Edmunds data)
50i - $2520 @12k miles / $3150 @15k miles


It you're going to tow something, the xDrive 35d is the better buy due to the superior torque. If you're not going to, then it's not a good buy at all. The new X5 xDrive 50i is by far the beast out of the group, but will be the most expensive to operate.

As stated by someone else, the BMW I-6 diesels make more sense when they're in an SAV than in a sedan. NOW, if they offered the 320d, or better yet the 120d ( ), that'd be the best bet of all since your fuel economy gets into the 40-45mpg range. Those things go forever, and then diesel is your friend.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:19 PM   #13
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^^^That's some good information that's actually useful.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:56 AM   #14
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^^^ based on Reedos information, i would not get the 335d over the 335i. the fuel economy is barely better, and the power band sucks on the 335d.
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:21 PM   #15
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I am not sure why they are selling the 35d engines here, yes they are powerful and will go far to dispel the diesel engine idea of slow noisy cars from the past, but they could sell the 3.0d engine here actually get useful mileage advantage over the 335 and still have a quick diesel. For that matter give us the 2.0l 4 cylinder twin turbo diesel (_23d), great mileage and as much torque as the e39 M5. BMW USA doesn't seem to care about mileage at the moment, BMW has a full line up of highly efficient engines in 4 cylinder and diesel yet they don't sell any here.

For bragging rights the _35d engine is but in reality, it is not that efficient and IMO not the best diesel they could have sent over. Would I turn down a 335d wagon or an X5 35d, no. But then again I would rather buy the _35i engine and most likely it would be the cheaper option
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:36 PM   #16
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me too

425 ft/lbs ftw....

would be much funner for city driving.... Torque = fun.
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:28 PM   #17
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I'm excited to see these new diesel BMW's in the market, and hopefully it will open the doors for other diesels as well.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:17 PM   #18
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wow, the xdrive35i is quicker to 60 than the 4.8i, that V8 engine must be really heavy.
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the 2.3tt diesel would have been a better option if they were truly trying to offer a fuel-stingy 1/3/X3 series vehicle. Not sure what they're really aiming at with the hulking 35d engine in a X3 or 3-series...that engine belongs in an X5 size vehicle or larger.

I'm not entirely conviced BMW really know's what their doing either with some of these latest engine and model offerings. Twin-turbo V8's? Yeah I'm sure the average joe and jane affluent car buyer will be lining up to have one of those gas hogs under the hood.
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Old 09-14-2008, 02:03 PM   #20
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I'm excited to see these new diesel BMW's in the market, and hopefully it will open the doors for other diesels as well.
+1

That's the idea.

the first is never the best, but merely paving the way for future diesels in a virtually brand new market.
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