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Old 09-29-2008, 03:34 AM   #1
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335d vs 335i

The 335d has 265hp with 425lb-ft of torque with a 0-60 of 6 secsonds.
The 335i has 300hp with 300lb-ft of torque with a 0-60 of 5.5 seconds. I don't get why the diesel is slower with that much torque I always thought torque had a lot to do with 0-60. Can't wait for diesel at the end of the year
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:36 AM   #2
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^^ I can't wait either


Torques' funner around town... it feels quicker
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:44 AM   #3
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I don't think it should just feel, it should be quicker
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Old 09-29-2008, 03:51 AM   #4
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Both can be easily chipped to have way more performance. Just depends on how much more cna be gotten out of each of them.
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I learned that diesel is by far the better fuel base by learning a thing or two about Ford's diesel truck line up aka the 250/350/450/550 (driving in a regular truck makes me feel like a pu$$y now)

Won't get into too much detail about it since you can go read a thing or two on your own, but the 335D will be awesome. Finally a sporty car based upon the diesel platform
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Old 09-29-2008, 04:08 AM   #6
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I learned that diesel is by far the better fuel base by learning a thing or two about Ford's diesel truck line up aka the 250/350/450/550 (driving in a regular truck makes me feel like a pu$$y now)

Won't get into too much detail about it since you can go read a thing or two on your own, but the 335D will be awesome. Finally a sporty car based upon the diesel platform
What about that Audi R8 V10 diesel


No but seriously: Every van, bus, truck... basically anything with more than four wheels is diesel over here. Plus almost half of the normal cars too. They just have a much better fuel economy than gas powered cars.

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Old 09-29-2008, 04:10 AM   #7
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Diesel, plus if you're feeling ghetto you can just dump in some vegetable oil for pennies a gallon.
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I think there will be more gains in a diesel than the petrol motor with just a chip.
Same diesel in the E60
http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?op...id_model=13172

compared with the 335i
http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?op...id_model=13426
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I think there will be more gains in a diesel than the petrol motor with just a chip.
Same diesel in the E60
http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?op...id_model=13172

compared with the 335i
http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?op...id_model=13426
Wow, they pretty much messed up their numbers on the 535d.
200kW -> 260kW = 30% more.
That would mean an increase to 354hp, if I'm not mistaken.

Plus, there are chips over here (since the car was released) that let the 335d go up to 280km/h (175mph).

And those numbers for the 335i sound way below what I have heard of from other ocmpanies. And I don't mean those that exaggerate with 400hp.
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^ Yeah, i think you're right. I checked with my converter and it should be just around 233kw. Maybe it's the other way around and the hp indicated should be 347hp but I don't think so. Bottom line from what I have seen is that diesels cost less to tune for higher power in general.
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^ Yeah, i think you're right. I checked with my converter and it should be just around 233kw. Maybe it's the other way around and the hp indicated should be 347hp but I don't think so. Bottom line from what I have seen is that diesels cost less to tune for higher power in general.
That's normally the case because most Diesels have Turbos, but most Gas powered cars don't. This isn't the case here though.

True is that diesels produce more torque, but gas cars win in the hp-battle.
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I don't think it should just feel, it should be quicker
no it doesn't. The diesel has a huge torque value, but no powerband to spread it in. Rpm's are just as important as torque to get quickly off the line. Petrol is still king!!
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Yeah I saw this somewhere. Might be my next car.

Even though the 0-60 is slower than the ZHP
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Old 09-29-2008, 06:33 AM   #14
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no it doesn't. The diesel has a huge torque value, but no powerband to spread it in. Rpm's are just as important as torque to get quickly off the line. Petrol is still king!!
...of performance, not economy
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Old 09-29-2008, 06:42 AM   #15
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...of performance, not economy
With the current diesels you get both performance and economy. It is a plus that diesel is cheaper here than petrol unlike in other countries.
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Old 09-29-2008, 06:58 AM   #17
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There's a guy here that lives in the Czech Republic: srle. He got some nice numbers out of his e46 diesel with very few tweaks. It'd be interesting to get his input.
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so why do diesels produce so much torque? is it because of the high compression?
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Finally a sporty car based upon the diesel platform
you mean like the audi?!?!?!?!?

I'd stick with the 335i b/c:

1. Diesel is too expensive
2. Whotf can work on a Diesel...much less a BMW Diesel
3. Sound of the motor
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:50 AM   #20
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lol @ the poll question, which would you use to streetrace? jeez, get a honda hatch and a 3k turbo kit and call it a day
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