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Old 11-27-2008, 09:02 PM   #41
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Hey Taza, I saw your car at AA a few months ago when I was getting a headers and software install a few months ago. ..On MY Imola Red M 'vert.

I love those guys down there but they do not seem to want to push their S/C HP at all. They are throwing guys out on the street all day with 430-450 RWHP and saying they should be happy with that. i DONT MEAN HP measured on their Mustang Dyno either.

I LIVE and drive daily in Fort Lauderdale all year round in our constant heat. Why hasnt AA gone to water to air inter cooling?
BTW, are the VFE's S/C (Vortex) more noisy than the Rotrex? I am not too worried, but that sounds like the ONLY minus unless you just happpen to live so far away from VFE.

I want to work with AA but they dont even offer a meth kit(stock anyways) either (Iso propyl only) They are feeling the pinch of the economic downturn. They better get on the stick or guys like me living only a few miles away are going to use VFE from the West Coast. I just dont understand this.
I dont think I am hijacking this thread. I know the OP did not intend on having this as a VS thread, but he brought up some issues that make my blood boil.
i WANT AA to be more competitive, run cooler, have more HP and torque.
Why in the heck cant they?


Oh, to the OP: Congrats man. Gutsy move to rip out an expensive system and be so sure you would do sso much better with VFE. This post SHOULD make VFE very happy. What puzzles me, posts like this dont seem to phase AA. I think it is time AA ought to wake up and smell the bacon and coffee cooking on their manifold...

EDIT: My limited dealings with AA have been extremely positive. Their work on MY NA project was great. I am just concerned that they dont have a system that meets my needs. (500plus RWHP and COOOOL!)[/QUOTE]

Bdave, I could not have said it better myself.

my limited dealings with jean have been great but i was getting the same feeling.
I have been in Iraq several years but am out of Columbus, Ga since early 07 which is 8.5 hrs away from my dad and AA in miami plus, i found out the owners are from my lovely wife's country so i was like but after some research i came to realize you hit that 500 rwhp mark with the VFE stg2 kit faster and at less money then with an AA Gen3 stg3

so i figured maybe it needs the right combo of other factors within the car i.e weight reduction, suspension stiffning,exhaust upgrade,lwfw/clutch, ssk/dssr but from what i am reading all that investment is???

I like AA for several reasons the main being location but it does feel like they are doing a DINAN and staying relatively safe as aposed to pushing the envelope.

if any of this is true, dissapionted I will be for the hard-earned money i have Invested. i get back from Iraq for good in 3 weeks. that is when i will be able to see 4 myself if there is a way to push the AA SC kit to where it is competitive with VFE stg2
Thanks for serving. I have a few decorations from the sand box for my service in our unsung FOURTH branch of the military.
Yes, I have been to Jamaica many times. Everyone at AA loved the jerk pork and chicken I brought, lol.

I feel your pain Irinco, but I cant see what is conservative about running COOLER. Heat is power, but only up to a point where it becomes a liability.
I see cooler as more conservative.
AA did try to use the ASA blower. It gave a "free" 40 more ft/bls of torque...for a few grand more..LOL

I DO like AA's software. I think their software is highly underrated.
They sure can set up a car to handle all that power, but so can I.
I think i am going to email Jean (he is their web guy) the link to this thread and have to see what he can post as a reply. Hear that Jean? Coming at you. Fair is fair. Like I said, I WANT AA to step up. Great guys.

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Old 11-28-2008, 01:39 AM   #42
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no sweat Bdave,

yeah jean from AA has been very patient and informative with me thus far this past year. i hope my relationship changes for the better with them in the coming year because i have plans i must exacute the sooner the better with my M3 so i can focus on my X6

maybe i can hit 534rwhp with an AA kit ;-) cause i am not sure if anyone notices but the OP (Mspired) is verbally shyttin all over AA with every thread where the conversation is about VFE & AA and ultimately its his truth he is sharing. i am sure there are AA kits out there that pull on VFE stg 2.5 but they must NOT be on the west coast.
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Old 11-29-2008, 04:26 AM   #43
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Mspired,

Do you have a Lwfw?
DSSR?
SSK?
Headers?
if so, which do you or have you had?

I am trying to find out if headers coupled with a lwfw and a good clutch set up will make the difference in throttle responce. a ssk/dssr will just refine the shifting for quicker or crisper shifts which can contribute to more Roadkillz right?
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:16 PM   #44
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I emailed Jean and alerteds him to this thread. I want to hear his respnse. He emailed me back saying he wpould post.

Air to water intercooler, bigger blower. MORE COOLER AIR!
I want to see this.
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MSpired,

Congrats on the numbers.

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Our kits have been and still are the Flagship kits to have in the BMW Community. Our kits represent reliability and performance. We are in a very competitive market which is constantly moving forward. We are always working on upgrades and new products to satisfy your needs, the enthusiasts.

There is much research to be made on our kits, going back to the E36 crowd. We are the only company still developing products for those models. We do not require funding or deposits to do so... Being an enthusiast myself i would not want to purchase an unfinished product with unfulfilled promises.

In regards to the E46 M3 kits. We are constantly working on new things. However it is not our style to offer .5 kits to sway the market for a short period of time. I will only release our newest projects when I am satisfied with them and they are ready to ship. No empty promises.

Here are a few links to customers with our Rotrex kits pushing a bit more:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=237649 , http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=236853
Just imagine what we are doing with our other kits/projects...

We have much more exciting things in the works.

For example all of our water alcohol kits will now come compatible with meth, no more water/alcohol unless you chose to run that over meth.

The great news is all of our current kits will be upgrade able. Contact me for crazy specials this month on our Level 1 kits.

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Old 12-02-2008, 12:08 PM   #46
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Congrats on the numbers.

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Our kits have been and still are the Flagship kits to have in the BMW Community. Our kits represent reliability and performance. We are in a very competitive market which is constantly moving forward. We are always working on upgrades and new products to satisfy your needs, the enthusiasts.

There is much research to be made on our kits, going back to the E36 crowd. We are the only company still developing products for those models. We do not require funding or deposits to do so... Being an enthusiast myself i would not want to purchase an unfinished product with unfulfilled promises.

In regards to the E46 M3 kits. We are constantly working on new things. However it is not our style to offer .5 kits to sway the market for a short period of time. I will only release our newest projects when I am satisfied with them and they are ready to ship. No empty promises.
You really shouldn't be speaking of empty promises, as you personally have made them.

VF never promises or even hinted towards a stage 2.5 kit. It came about through testing for there soon to be released stage 3 kit and a select few lucky people happen to be running the stage 2.5.

Empty promises? How about your turbo "kits". Or the ASA kit? $5k to get a ANOTHER blower that is nearly maxed out and gain no horsepower? I would consider that an empty promise if I was waiting for that kit.

Empty promises? How about letting members believe they could achieve the numbers Vik and Loren have made from your kit, while knowing they were running 11psi? That empty promise actually hit home, as I bought my AA kit thinking I would make the numbers they made, but had to later find out it was by over spinning the Rotrex, voiding the warranty, and having to run on race fuel. All of which you guys at AA were completely aware of and failed to inform the public.

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Here are a few links to customers with our Rotrex kits pushing a bit more:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=237649 , http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=236853
Just imagine what we are doing with our other kits/projects...

We have much more exciting things in the works.

For example all of our water alcohol kits will now come compatible with meth, no more water/alcohol unless you chose to run that over meth.

The great news is all of our current kits will be upgrade able. Contact me for crazy specials this month on our Level 1 kits.

Please be patient, i will bring everything to light very soon.
What a desperate act to advertise within this thread.
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You really shouldn't be speaking of empty promises, as you personally have made them.

VF never promises or even hinted towards a stage 2.5 kit. It came about through testing for there soon to be released stage 3 kit and a select few lucky people happen to be running the stage 2.5.

Empty promises? How about your turbo "kits". Or the ASA kit? $5k to get a ANOTHER blower that is nearly maxed out and gain no horsepower? I would consider that an empty promise if I was waiting for that kit.

Empty promises? How about letting members believe they could achieve the numbers Vik and Loren have made from your kit, while knowing they were running 11psi? That empty promise actually hit home, as I bought my AA kit thinking I would make the numbers they made, but had to later find out it was by over spinning the Rotrex, voiding the warranty, and having to run on race fuel. All of which you guys at AA were completely aware of and failed to inform the public.



What a desperate act to advertise within this thread.
ASA was only advertised after we had it running, although some info leaked. Our older kits are upgrade able.

Turbo kits were not promised. We were always on the fence with the turbo system even after TK's car. We decided not to release it.

There are plenty of cars with the same setup as those two...

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Dear Irinco and BDave,

I am not sure if you guys have a complete understanding of the S54 and the tuning options available. Please feel free to contact me directly @ 1800.830.8596 or 305.233.9300.

Mspired - You were never mislead until now and it was not by anyone from AA. You can call me if you would like to talk about it further.

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, Its rough but it could be worst. At the end of the day we are here to make the BMW enthusiast happy. In the long run we will still be there, it wont be another episode like what some of the E36 guys had to go through...
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Active Autowerke is well-known for reliability and are one of the leaders in the market on par with Dinan. This is a valuable characteristic for those who rely on their cars as daily transportation.

Although I've had my issues, I still love my AA kit.
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Active Autowerke is well-known for reliability and are one of the leaders in the market on par with Dinan. This is a valuable characteristic for those who rely on their cars as daily transportation.

Although I've had my issues, I still love my AA kit.

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I was thinking sweet, hoping to read about Mspired making more power, but not so. The only thing I want to clarify is that ALL my power, 1/4 mile times are with their standard 9psi, difference is custom tune and race fuel. I have not been back or dyno'd since running 11psi+. Let's not turn this into a vendor based thrashing thread and let's get back onto Mspired's 533rwhp achievement and his goal for 600rwhp or bust
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MSpired,

Congrats on the numbers.

_______________________________________

Our kits have been and still are the Flagship kits to have in the BMW Community. Our kits represent reliability and performance. We are in a very competitive market which is constantly moving forward. We are always working on upgrades and new products to satisfy your needs, the enthusiasts.

There is much research to be made on our kits, going back to the E36 crowd. We are the only company still developing products for those models. We do not require funding or deposits to do so... Being an enthusiast myself i would not want to purchase an unfinished product with unfulfilled promises.

In regards to the E46 M3 kits. We are constantly working on new things. However it is not our style to offer .5 kits to sway the market for a short period of time. I will only release our newest projects when I am satisfied with them and they are ready to ship. No empty promises.

Here are a few links to customers with our Rotrex kits pushing a bit more:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=237649 , http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=236853
Just imagine what we are doing with our other kits/projects...

We have much more exciting things in the works.

For example all of our water alcohol kits will now come compatible with meth, no more water/alcohol unless you chose to run that over meth.

The great news is all of our current kits will be upgrade able. Contact me for crazy specials this month on our Level 1 kits.

Please be patient, i will bring everything to light very soon.

Flagship??? this is all I have to say about that..
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Mspired - glad to read that you are getting closer to your goal with our off-the-shelf kit. Now that you have removed your little pea-shooter, you can run with the big boys! In some situations "size matters". The bigger the blower, the greater the air flow volume. Its simple science -a picure tells a 1000 words. Look at the picture and just ask yourself "How can the smaller Rotrex unit possibly perform as well the larger Vortech?"

The AA Rotrex based kit was a good kit back in the day when it was designed approx 6 years ago, but the today, more modern VF Vortech based kit is the way to go.


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Mspired - glad to read that you are getting closer to your goal with our off-the-shelf kit. Now that you have removed your little pea-shooter, you can run with the big boys! In some situations "size matters". The bigger the blower, the greater the air flow volume. Its simple science -a picure tells a 1000 words. Look at the picture and just ask yourself "How can the smaller Rotrex unit possibly perform as well the larger Vortech?"

The AA Rotrex based kit was a good kit back in the day when it was designed approx 6 years ago, but the today, more modern VF Vortech based kit is the way to go.

Besides the blower, the bracket and rear "brace" aren't strong rigid enough, even for the small supercharger; that's why a lot of AA cars have belt slippage and the noisy cricket noise. AA's rear brace is a joek if you ask me, very poor design that was an after thought.

VF's bracket, while holding a much larger supercharger is ROCK solid, and the rear brace is a one piece solid design that works very well.
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MSpired,

Congrats on the numbers.

_______________________________________

Our kits have been and still are the Flagship kits to have in the BMW Community. Our kits represent reliability and performance. We are in a very competitive market which is constantly moving forward. We are always working on upgrades and new products to satisfy your needs, the enthusiasts.

There is much research to be made on our kits, going back to the E36 crowd. We are the only company still developing products for those models. We do not require funding or deposits to do so... Being an enthusiast myself i would not want to purchase an unfinished product with unfulfilled promises.

In regards to the E46 M3 kits. We are constantly working on new things. However it is not our style to offer .5 kits to sway the market for a short period of time. I will only release our newest projects when I am satisfied with them and they are ready to ship. No empty promises.

Here are a few links to customers with our Rotrex kits pushing a bit more:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=237649 , http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=236853
Just imagine what we are doing with our other kits/projects...

We have much more exciting things in the works.

For example all of our water alcohol kits will now come compatible with meth, no more water/alcohol unless you chose to run that over meth.

The great news is all of our current kits will be upgrade able. Contact me for crazy specials this month on our Level 1 kits.

Please be patient, i will bring everything to light very soon.

Jean,

You are forgetting the most important thing about selling to the public, is relationships and customer service. The product that you sell if fine, but the service their needs to shape up. Its a matter of days before I can even get an email back from AA, until I had to get nasty in my emails.

I understand everyone is busy (well not in todays market) but that seems to be the crutch that Active uses on a regular basis.

.5 on swaying the market--Chris (HPF) and Nik (VF) have only responded to what customers wants and needs. Call it stage whatever, but its responding to the end users request to be supplied more power and better service. Do you also understand that when these other companies offer these .5 kits, they already sold them great service and they will NEVER leave? You guys are missing the boat here.

I would pull every staff member aside and tell them that customer services is the backbone of our business. Word will get around again, but for now people are jumping ship because of Chris and Nik unbelievable ability to establish a relationship with their customers.

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