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Old 11-12-2008, 10:10 AM   #1
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Adaptive Xenon Retrofit to a Facelift Coupe!

Hello All:

For past few months I have been thinking of doing retrofit of Adaptive Xenon on a 2004 330 Coupe. From my reading so far, the 2004 330CI came with Auto Leveling Bi-Xenon's but Canadian models had a $400 option for adding "Adaptive" i.e. xenon lights slightly turning based on steering sensor inputs up to 15 deg's.

I searched around found one member who has done it but can't find any posts on it.

Here is a conceptual diagram showing how it is supposed to work:



A fellow fanatic has a set of Adaptive BiXenon's for coupe that has part # 17 seen in the pic below aka "Electronics Box ALC Uncoded" included.

Link: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...09&hg=63&fg=05

I also noticed Part # 12(Control Unit, Adaptive Head Light) in the following pic, on realoem:

Link: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...61&fg=25&hl=53).

My questions are:
  1. If this is all that's required to retrofit Adaptive Xenon's on a facelift coupe? If so, where does the Control Unit for Adaptive Head Light reside or needs to be installed?
  2. What input and outputs do come of this control unit? Realoem pic only shows one connection point for part # 12 in above pic!?!

If anyone has done this out there, it would great to get some suggestions/guidance.

Thanks as always.
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Old 11-12-2008, 12:00 PM   #2
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Does anyone know if or can check if TIS shows how to install the Control Unit?
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:25 PM   #3
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you need the sensor so that the computer can tell how much the steering wheel moves so that it can be inputted in the computer and sends the info out the the motors that are in the headlight.

i don't think anyone has done it. you need to buy whole new headlight units and not many are willing to fork over that much money for adaptives.
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:46 PM   #5
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you need the sensor so that the computer can tell how much the steering wheel moves so that it can be inputted in the computer and sends the info out the the motors that are in the headlight.

i don't think anyone has done it. you need to buy whole new headlight units and not many are willing to fork over that much money for adaptives.
Thought all e46's 04 up had steering wheel sensor?! Any way to tell if one would have this sensor or not?

I can get the adaptive lights for a good price as well as the control unit. Just not sure how/where to connect them. BMW won't show me the schematics...why I don't know.
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^ agreed, you'll be needing a lot more. Wiring harness, coding of sensors and probably the new headlamp housings. It's not likely to be just those two control units. Although the headlamps move up/down to adjust horizontal cut-off, there is no motor to turn the lamps right/left. So you'll be needing that which probably ony works in the whole headlamp housing. But please continue what you find. I'd love to retrofit those in my car. Which reminds me, did the M3 ever have that option? Reason I ask is I don't know if any pre-facelift got that option. If none did then there is even more of a challenge.
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Thought all e46's 04 up had steering wheel sensor?! Any way to tell if one would have this sensor or not?

I can get the adaptive lights for a good price as well as the control unit. Just not sure how/where to connect them. BMW won't show me the schematics...why I don't know.
i don't think so. it's only offered on facelifted coupes with xenons. no clue on how to check, if it's already there, then you just have to buy the headlights and those parts you mentioned and try it.
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Thought all e46's 04 up had steering wheel sensor?! Any way to tell if one would have this sensor or not?

I can get the adaptive lights for a good price as well as the control unit. Just not sure how/where to connect them. BMW won't show me the schematics...why I don't know.
Pretty sure all E46s have a steering wheel sensor. It's for the DSC, but not sure if the exact one you need is the same one.

Have you looked in the Bentley manual for your year? Or the TIS? It should have some schematics for atleast the wiring. Probably not as largely detailed as you want, but wiring is always a major section of that manual.
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^ agreed, you'll be needing a lot more. Wiring harness, coding of sensors and probably the new headlamp housings. It's not likely to be just those two control units. Although the headlamps move up/down to adjust horizontal cut-off, there is no motor to turn the lamps right/left. So you'll be needing that which probably ony works in the whole headlamp housing. But please continue what you find. I'd love to retrofit those in my car. Which reminds me, did the M3 ever have that option? Reason I ask is I don't know if any pre-facelift got that option. If none did then there is even more of a challenge.
nope m3's never got that option. it will be quite a challenge. just taking out the projector for the facelifted coupe headlights was a challenge for me. if you were to try to retrofit the whole thing in, there would be a lot of changes to be done to the headlight as i don't see how you can use the same internals from the old headlight
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Pretty sure all E46s have a steering wheel sensor. It's for the DSC, but not sure if the exact one you need is the same one.

Have you looked in the Bentley manual for your year? Or the TIS? It should have some schematics for atleast the wiring. Probably not as largely detailed as you want, but wiring is always a major section of that manual.
I have'nt checked the Bentley or TIS as I seemed to misplaced my CD's. I have an older version of TIS with me but that does'nt have any info on it since its pre 2004.

As I stated in my post, I can source the OEM Adaptive/Dynamic headlights which have the motor to move the housing left/right and the Control Unit (part #'s I posted in my first post).

I am hoping its just a matter of connecting them together.
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i don't think bentley manual will help you. as there is no mention of the facelifted coupe anywhere in the damn manual lol. it's good for everything else though
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nope m3's never got that option. it will be quite a challenge. just taking out the projector for the facelifted coupe headlights was a challenge for me. if you were to try to retrofit the whole thing in, there would be a lot of changes to be done to the headlight as i don't see how you can use the same internals from the old headlight
i was pretty much thinking the same thing. way too much work involved for something thatmight not work properly and then you are out the destroyed originals. i'll let someone else do the homework on this one. lol
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Called the dealer...funny how i asked them if this could be done and they played "stupid" with me. Now I called back asking for labor for installing the control unit for adaptive headlight I mentioned in my original post and they said 3 hours labor and the control unit is behind the bumper.

I will take the bumper and take a look, hopefully tonite, and more importantly hopefully find the darn thing.
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i was pretty much thinking the same thing. way too much work involved for something thatmight not work properly and then you are out the destroyed originals. i'll let someone else do the homework on this one. lol
lol once OP figures this out. it should be the same across all the e46s. then all you need is to retrofit them into your headlights.
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Called the dealer...funny how i asked them if this could be done and they played "stupid" with me. Now I called back asking for labor for installing the control unit for adaptive headlight I mentioned in my original post and they said 3 hours labor and the control unit is behind the bumper.

I will take the bumper and take a look, hopefully tonite, and more importantly hopefully find the darn thing.
i don't remember seeing anything like that behind my bumper. maybe they got confused between which control unit you are talking about? as each headlight has it's own control unit as well.
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I have'nt checked the Bentley or TIS as I seemed to misplaced my CD's. I have an older version of TIS with me but that does'nt have any info on it since its pre 2004.

As I stated in my post, I can source the OEM Adaptive/Dynamic headlights which have the motor to move the housing left/right and the Control Unit (part #'s I posted in my first post).

I am hoping its just a matter of connecting them together.
well if the car is almost all prewired for it, then it might be a lot easier. but likely there are no extra wiring harness' there, so you'd need the looms. if the Bentley manual has the wiring diagrams then it might give you more an idea what plugs where and to which wires and fusebox locations.

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i don't think bentley manual will help you. as there is no mention of the facelifted coupe anywhere in the damn manual lol. it's good for everything else though
Interesting, no facelifted info. I wonder if there was a later edition that showed more details.
The pictures of replacing those exact parts might be listed, but the wiring diagrams in the back of the Bentley shows almost all configuarations. It's just finding what they call the part and hunting it down in there is the real biatch..lol.
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well if the car is almost all prewired for it, then it might be a lot easier. but likely there are no extra wiring harness' there, so you'd need the looms. if the Bentley manual has the wiring diagrams then it might give you more an idea what plugs where and to which wires and fusebox locations.



Interesting, no facelifted info. I wonder if there was a later edition that showed more details.
The pictures of replacing those exact parts might be listed, but the wiring diagrams in the back of the Bentley shows almost all configuarations. It's just finding what they call the part and hunting it down in there is the real biatch..lol.
i hope there is a new edition of those info, i would love to cop that. the one i have lists the bixenon headlight assembly as adaptive. and it shows the leveling units and such.
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lol once OP figures this out. it should be the same across all the e46s. then all you need is to retrofit them into your headlights.
possibly..
but not if the facelifts have something the pre-face don't. like a wiring harness and coding of specific sensors.not to mention the headlamp housing may not make itself condusive to attaching the side motor to the ellipsoid.
it's not like one can add the adaptive Brake Force Display of the OEM LED tails that laters have. this may or may not be as simple as one thinks. thus the reason bmw didn't offer it on the most expensive E46s..the M3. which btw was made longer/later than the others. one would think the premier bmw engineered E46 would get this offered if it's that simple as a few modules and refitted elliposoid motor.
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possibly..
but not if the facelifts have something the pre-face don't. like a wiring harness and coding of specific sensors.not to mention the headlamp housing may not make itself condusive to attaching the side motor to the ellipsoid.
it's not like one can add the adaptive Brake Force Display of the OEM LED tails that laters have. this may or may not be as simple as one thinks. thus the reason bmw didn't offer it on the most expensive E46s..the M3. which btw was made longer/later than the others. one would think the premier bmw engineered E46 would get this offered if it's that simple as a few modules and refitted elliposoid motor.
that is true, but it seems the the facelifted coupe was the test mule for the next gen bmws. the one piece headlight design, then the adaptive, led tails (even though they gave it to the m3), and probably a couple of other things that weren't as noticeable. i don't think they would change the car that much for a car that was only offered for 2 years.
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Got some lights, just to play around though, but ran into a problem. I posted it seperately here: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=626232 Any ideas? This is really putting a damper on my plans
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